MY Atkins book says otherwise and there’s a whole page of similar GIGO RED FLAGS that just aren’t supported by data.

I think I smell an agenda site at http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:ytOQUOhJp3IJ:www.fibermenace.com/gutsense/flora.html+fibermenace+laughingstock&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

[candidiasis] Digest Number 5900

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There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: HELP: remedies for gut inflammation

From: Katherine McKelvey

1b. Re: HELP: remedies for gut inflammation

From: Emily NK Chan

2a. Re: Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intoler

From: MM

2b. Re: Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intoler

From: Wil Spencer

2c. Re: Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intoler

From: DuncanC

2d. Re: Lactose intolerance, keep exploiting gullibles.

From: MM

2e. Re: Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intoler

From: MM

3a. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

From: algaelady1

3b. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

From: Wil Spencer

3c. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

From: beth

3d. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

From: Wil Spencer

3e. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

From: Wil Spencer

3f. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

From: DuncanC

4. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS

From: IMS

5a. Re: Candida diet = wasting away…

From: DuncanC

5b. Re: Candida diet = wasting away…

From: toddroberts2001  aol.com

6a. Fiber 3rd most abundant component in human milk

From: DuncanC

6b. Re: Fiber 3rd most abundant component in human milk

From: Wil Spencer

6c. Re: Fiber 3rd most abundant component in human milk

From: DuncanC

7. d-mannose

From: Janet Groneman

8a. Candida diet = wasting away…Duncan

From: Paspenc5  cs.com

8b. Re: Candida diet = wasting away…Duncan

From: sol

8c. Re: Candida diet = wasting away…Duncan

From: DuncanC

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1a. Re: HELP: remedies for gut inflammation

Posted by: “Katherine McKelvey” kmmckelvey  yahoo.co.uk kmmckelvey

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:30 am ((PST))

Hi Emily

Aloe Vera is a wonderful anti inflammatory. Very soothing for the gut. L-Glutamine is also very good for the lining of the digestive tract, plus it’s a natural antacid.

Katherine McKelvey

Forever Living Products Independent Distributor

— On Thu, 12/11/09, emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan  yahoo.com> wrote:

From: emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan  yahoo.com>

Subject: [candidiasis] HELP: remedies for gut inflammation

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 3:58

Hi Listmates,

My son has gut inflammation as indicated on his CDSA stool test. The GI physician wants him scoped before he will prescribe medication for him.

I am reluctant to have him scoped and will try to find another doctor willing to prescribe without scoping. In the meantime, does anyone know what natural remedies I can give my son to help with the colonic inflammation? I will be running another IgG and IgE food panel test to recheck his allergies and take him off any allergic food. He is currently also on antifungal (Nizoral) and truck loads of probiotic (including mutaflor).

Any input would be hugely appreciated.

Regards,

Emily

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1b. Re: HELP: remedies for gut inflammation

Posted by: “Emily NK Chan” emilynk.chan  yahoo.com emilynk.chan

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:27 pm ((PST))

What form of aloe vera?  Organic aloe vera juice from health food stores?

Thanks

— On Thu, 11/12/09, Katherine McKelvey <kmmckelvey  yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Katherine McKelvey <kmmckelvey  yahoo.co.uk>

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] HELP: remedies for gut inflammation

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:29 AM

Hi Emily

Aloe Vera is a wonderful anti inflammatory. Very soothing for the gut. L-Glutamine is also very good for the lining of the digestive tract, plus it’s a natural antacid.

Katherine McKelvey

Forever Living Products Independent Distributor

— On Thu, 12/11/09, emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan   yahoo.com> wrote:

From: emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan   yahoo.com>

Subject: [candidiasis] HELP: remedies for gut inflammation

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 3:58

Hi Listmates,

My son has gut inflammation as indicated on his CDSA stool test. The GI physician wants him scoped before he will prescribe medication for him.

I am reluctant to have him scoped and will try to find another doctor willing to prescribe without scoping. In the meantime, does anyone know what natural remedies I can give my son to help with the colonic inflammation?

I will be running another IgG and IgE food panel test to recheck his allergies and take him off any allergic food. He is currently also on antifungal (Nizoral) and truck loads of probiotic (including mutaflor).

Any input would be hugely appreciated.

Regards,

Emily

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2a. Re: Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intoler

Posted by: “MM” medmidas  gmail.com gesigars

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:15 am ((PST))

Lactase is an enzyme produced by a gland inside our body,

& is supposed to remain active till the age of 3,

beyond which it usually becomes inefficient or inactive.

Few infants, babies are  born with less  efficient gland &

get symptoms of *Lactose intolerance.

“*The enzymes are actually created in our body by the microorganisms”

need correction.

My post does not cover allergy to milk, which is different from intolerance.

For info on *Lactose intolerance, see link,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

*

*Lactose intolerance* is the inability to metabolize

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolism> lactose

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose>, a sugar found in milk

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk> and other dairy

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy> products, because the required

enzyme lactase <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase> is absent in the

intestinal system or its availability is lowered. It is estimated that

75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during

adulthood.^[1]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#cite_note-0> The

frequency of decreased lactase activity ranges from as little as 5% in

northern Europe, up to 71% for Southern Europe, to more than 90% in some

African and Asian countries.^[2]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#cite_note-autogenerated3-1>

Wil Spencer wrote:

> Are you taking any probiotics?

> It is the microorganisms in the gut that do the life transfer from our food to us not enzymes.  The enzymes break open the cellular wall to allow the release of the amino acids and make availalble to the microorganisms.

>

> The enzymes are actually created in our body by the microorganisms

> from the amino acids and minerals from our food. This is why the

> probiotics are so important!!

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: guitarnola <guitarnola  yahoo.com>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 9:01:24 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Fat and candida

>

>

> I have severe fat malabsorption and wonder if this is a part of why I am not feeling better following a high fat/low carb diet.  I stay away from sugar completely and have felt no improvement after 5 months.  I just started a pancreatic enzyme for fat malabsorption and seems to be helping based on what is coming out of me.  Should I switch to a low fat diet?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ————————————

>

> Candidiasis stories:

> http://CureZone.com/forums/f.asp?f=41

> http://CureZone.com/dis/

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2b. Re: Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intoler

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:23 am ((PST))

I think you need to do some educating of things.  Candice Perth PhD in her lecture, Your Body is Your Subconscious Mind, has stated my original comment.  You can find more info by reading the new science of Quantum Physics.  The other authors include Dawson Church PhD, Bruce Lipton PhD, and several more.

As Bruce Lipton PhD has stated in his talk titled “The New Biology-Where Mind and Matter Meet”  he states it takes at least 10-15 years for the new science to be in the educational system and out to the world.  This new science is really shaking the old paradigm of just symptom relief and fear.  We are witnessing it even right here in this group!  So you all are getting the new science 10 years before even the University Professors in the text books.  How exciting is this!!!!!!!!

I will explain my credential of VMSP.  V-ibrational M-edical S-cience Practitioner(ENERGY worker)  I work with the energy that powers not just our bodies and life, but the energy from the sun and the energy in nature.  That is why my new flow of energy is to inform everyone that we are no longer a VICTIM to the old paradigm of Newtonian science which states its intent to find out how nature works to control and manipulate nature.  The new science is saying we are part of nature and it is our responsibility to work with in nature with nature.

WOW, eh?!

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

________________________________

From: MM <medmidas  gmail.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:14:50 AM

Subject:Re: [candidiasis] Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

Lactase is an enzyme produced by a gland inside our body,

& is supposed to remain active till the age of 3,

beyond which it usually becomes inefficient or inactive.

Few infants, babies are  born with less  efficient gland &

get symptoms of *Lactose intolerance.

“*The enzymes are actually created in our body by the microorganisms”

need correction.

My post does not cover allergy to milk, which is different from intolerance.

For info on *Lactose intolerance, see link,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

*

*Lactose intolerance* is the inability to metabolize

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolism> lactose

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose>, a sugar found in milk

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk> and other dairy

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy> products, because the required

enzyme lactase <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase> is absent in the

intestinal system or its availability is lowered. It is estimated that

75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during

adulthood.^[1]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#cite_note-0> The

frequency of decreased lactase activity ranges from as little as 5% in

northern Europe, up to 71% for Southern Europe, to more than 90% in some

African and Asian countries.^[2]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#cite_note-autogenerated3-1>

Wil Spencer wrote:

> Are you taking any probiotics?

> It is the microorganisms in the gut that do the life transfer from our food to us not enzymes.  The enzymes break open the cellular wall to allow the release of the amino acids and make availalble to the microorganisms.

>

> The enzymes are actually created in our body by the microorganisms

> from the amino acids and minerals from our food. This is why the

> probiotics are so important!!

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: guitarnola <guitarnola  yahoo.com>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 9:01:24 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Fat and candida

>

>

> I have severe fat malabsorption and wonder if this is a part of why I am not feeling better following a high fat/low carb diet.  I stay away from sugar completely and have felt no improvement after 5 months.  I just started a pancreatic enzyme for fat malabsorption and seems to be helping based on what is coming out of me.  Should I switch to a low fat diet?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ————————————

>

> Candidiasis stories:

> http://CureZone.com/forums/f.asp?f=41

> http://CureZone.com/dis/

> http://CureZone.com/diseases/parasites/

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2c. Re: Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intoler

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:43 pm ((PST))

Probiotics and Prebiotics in the Elderly points out prebiotic inulin has been used to reduce lactose intolerance. Link:

http://www.hubmed.org/display.cgi?uids=15299153

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, MM <medmidas  …> wrote:

>

>

> Lactase is an enzyme produced by a gland inside our body,

> & is supposed to remain active till the age of 3,

> beyond which it usually becomes inefficient or inactive.

> Few infants, babies are  born with less  efficient gland &

> get symptoms of *Lactose intolerance.

>

> “*The enzymes are actually created in our body by the microorganisms”

> need correction.

>

> My post does not cover allergy to milk, which is different from intolerance.

>

> For info on *Lactose intolerance, see link,

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

> *

>

> *Lactose intolerance* is the inability to metabolize

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolism> lactose

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose>, a sugar found in milk

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk> and other dairy

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy> products, because the required

> enzyme lactase <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase> is absent in the

> intestinal system or its availability is lowered. It is estimated that

> 75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during

> adulthood.^[1]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#cite_note-0> The

> frequency of decreased lactase activity ranges from as little as 5% in

> northern Europe, up to 71% for Southern Europe, to more than 90% in some

> African and Asian countries.^[2]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#cite_note-autogenerated3-1>

>

>

>

>

> Wil Spencer wrote:

> > Are you taking any probiotics?

> > It is the microorganisms in the gut that do the life transfer from our food to us not enzymes.  The enzymes break open the cellular wall to allow the release of the amino acids and make availalble to the microorganisms.

> >

> > The enzymes are actually created in our body by the microorganisms

> > from the amino acids and minerals from our food. This is why the

> > probiotics are so important!!

> > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: guitarnola <guitarnola  …>

> > To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 9:01:24 PM

> > Subject: [candidiasis] Fat and candida

> >

> >

> > I have severe fat malabsorption and wonder if this is a part of why I am not feeling better following a high fat/low carb diet.  I stay away from sugar completely and have felt no improvement after 5 months.  I just started a pancreatic enzyme for fat malabsorption and seems to be helping based on what is coming out of me.  Should I switch to a low fat diet?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

> >

> >

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> > http://CureZone.com/diseases/parasites/

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2d. Re: Lactose intolerance, keep exploiting gullibles.

Posted by: “MM” medmidas  gmail.com gesigars

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:39 pm ((PST))

Science of advanced marketeering exploit gullibles.

__________________________________________

Wil Spencer wrote:

> I think you need to do some educating of things.  Candice Perth PhD in her lecture, Your Body is Your Subconscious Mind, has stated my original comment.  You can find more info by reading the new science of Quantum Physics.  The other authors include Dawson Church PhD, Bruce Lipton PhD, and several more.

>

> As Bruce Lipton PhD has stated in his talk titled “The New Biology-Where Mind and Matter Meet”  he states it takes at least 10-15 years for the new science to be in the educational system and out to the world.  This new science is really shaking the old paradigm of just symptom relief and fear.  We are witnessing it even right here in this group!  So you all are getting the new science 10 years before even the University Professors in the text books.  How exciting is this!!!!!!!!

>

> I will explain my credential of VMSP.  V-ibrational M-edical S-cience Practitioner(ENERGY worker)  I work with the energy that powers not just our bodies and life, but the energy from the sun and the energy in nature.  That is why my new flow of energy is to inform everyone that we are no longer a VICTIM to the old paradigm of Newtonian science which states its intent to find out how nature works to control and manipulate nature.  The new science is saying we are part of nature and it is our responsibility to work with in nature with nature.

>

> WOW, eh?!

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: MM <medmidas  gmail.com>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:14:50 AM

> Subject:Re: [candidiasis] Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

>

>

> Lactase is an enzyme produced by a gland inside our body,

> & is supposed to remain active till the age of 3,

> beyond which it usually becomes inefficient or inactive.

> Few infants, babies are  born with less  efficient gland &

> get symptoms of *Lactose intolerance.

>

> “*The enzymes are actually created in our body by the microorganisms”

> need correction.

>

> My post does not cover allergy to milk, which is different from intolerance.

>

> For info on *Lactose intolerance, see link,

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

> *

>

>

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2e. Re: Lactose intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intoler

Posted by: “MM” medmidas  gmail.com gesigars

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:50 pm ((PST))

As per Ayrvedic classification, there are 3 maladies.

Gas

Bile

Phlegm

Using guesswork, approx. one third people can’t handle gas.

People under maladies of bile & phlegm may be able to handle gas.

Our marketeers need to have a heart & not force inulin / whey

to those suffering from gas malady.

____________________________________________________________

DuncanC wrote:

> Probiotics and Prebiotics in the Elderly points out prebiotic inulin has been used to reduce lactose intolerance. Link:

>

> http://www.hubmed.org/display.cgi?uids=15299153

>

> Duncan

>

> — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, MM <medmidas  …> wrote:

>

>> Lactase is an enzyme produced by a gland inside our body,

>> & is supposed to remain active till the age of 3,

>> beyond which it usually becomes inefficient or inactive.

>> Few infants, babies are  born with less  efficient gland &

>> get symptoms of *Lactose intolerance.

>>

>> “*The enzymes are actually created in our body by the microorganisms”

>> need correction.

>>

>> My post does not cover allergy to milk, which is different from intolerance.

>>

>> For info on *Lactose intolerance, see link,

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

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3a. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Posted by: “algaelady1″ carol  minnick.us algaelady1

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:06 am ((PST))

Jaye, yes – no meat – too acidic.  This is what I eat:

Breakfast

Oatmeal “mush” (half oatmeal and half sesame seeds, oat groats and raisins)

Lunch

Usually a smoothie (made in a VitaMix to keep all the fiber), which includes fruits and/or veggies – banana, blueberries, grapes, strawberries, cranberries, raspberries, pear, apple, kiwi, kale, collards, cucumber, spinach

(not all in the same smoothie, I change it around)

Or a whole food meal replacement bar (if I’m away from my VitaMix) and apple

Supper

Always a large green salad  romaine, spinach, red peppers, onions, carrots, tomatoes, celery, frozen peas.

Plus other stuff, including:

Beans, rice, other veggie either steamed or raw.

Veggie burger.

Soup.

Stir fry.

Veggie stew.

Pasta/veggies.

Etc.  Huge variety of veggie dishes.

All organic if I can get them.  I also take whole food supplements.  This protocol has done wonders for me – eliminated my sinus problem, improved my mental alertness, have denser bones, my “insides” work better.

Carol

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “blymielymie” <blymielymie  …> wrote:

> Carol,

> Did I read right…you eliminated meat?

> Please tell me more specific what you eat.

> Thank you

> jaye

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3b. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:35 am ((PST))

I beg to differ!!!!!

Your diet of very high insoluble fiber is the cause of the acid.  In your stomach you need to produce soooo much acid to break open the cellular wall of the fiber and then the very HIGH amounts of insulin to counter act all the starch/carb to make glucose it is insane!

In the book “Fiber Menace”  he lays it out painstakingly well.  He has a web site called Gut Sence or just fibermenace.com.

You are in the delusion of the old science paradigm.

From what you are saying below you are consuming virtually no availible amino acids and minerals and intern feeding the candida fungus very well and basically causing your body to go into a fasting state!

Just ask NieeMa for my book and you can read what the new science is saying.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

________________________________

From: algaelady1 <carol  minnick.us>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:06:32 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Jaye, yes – no meat – too acidic.  This is what I eat:

Breakfast –

Oatmeal “mush” (half oatmeal and half sesame seeds, oat groats and raisins)

Lunch –

Usually a smoothie (made in a VitaMix to keep all the fiber), which includes fruits and/or veggies – banana, blueberries, grapes, strawberries, cranberries, raspberries, pear, apple, kiwi, kale, collards, cucumber, spinach

(not all in the same smoothie, I change it around)

Or a whole food meal replacement bar (if I’m away from my VitaMix) and apple

Supper –

Always a large green salad – romaine, spinach, red peppers, onions, carrots, tomatoes, celery, frozen peas.

Plus other stuff, including:

Beans, rice, other veggie either steamed or raw.

Veggie burger.

Soup.

Stir fry.

Veggie stew.

Pasta/veggies.

Etc. – Huge variety of veggie dishes.

All organic if I can get them.  I also take whole food supplements.  This protocol has done wonders for me – eliminated my sinus problem, improved my mental alertness, have denser bones, my “insides” work better.

Carol

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “blymielymie” <blymielymie   …> wrote:

> Carol,

> Did I read right…you eliminated meat?

> Please tell me more specific what you eat.

> Thank you

> jaye

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3c. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Posted by: “beth” bethafish  comcast.net bethafish1

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:39 am ((PST))

Where are you located, Wil?

—– Original Message —–

From: Wil Spencer

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:35 AM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

I beg to differ!!!!!

Your diet of very high insoluble fiber is the cause of the acid. In your stomach you need to produce soooo much acid to break open the cellular wall of the fiber and then the very HIGH amounts of insulin to counter act all the starch/carb to make glucose it is insane!

In the book “Fiber Menace” he lays it out painstakingly well. He has a web site called Gut Sence or just fibermenace.com.

You are in the delusion of the old science paradigm.

From what you are saying below you are consuming virtually no availible amino acids and minerals and intern feeding the candida fungus very well and basically causing your body to go into a fasting state!

Just ask NieeMa for my book and you can read what the new science is saying.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

________________________________

From: algaelady1 <carol  minnick.us>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:06:32 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Jaye, yes – no meat – too acidic. This is what I eat:

Breakfast –

Oatmeal “mush” (half oatmeal and half sesame seeds, oat groats and raisins)

Lunch –

Usually a smoothie (made in a VitaMix to keep all the fiber), which includes fruits and/or veggies – banana, blueberries, grapes, strawberries, cranberries, raspberries, pear, apple, kiwi, kale, collards, cucumber, spinach

(not all in the same smoothie, I change it around)

Or a whole food meal replacement bar (if I’m away from my VitaMix) and apple

Supper –

Always a large green salad – romaine, spinach, red peppers, onions, carrots, tomatoes, celery, frozen peas.

Plus other stuff, including:

Beans, rice, other veggie either steamed or raw.

Veggie burger.

Soup.

Stir fry.

Veggie stew.

Pasta/veggies.

Etc. – Huge variety of veggie dishes.

All organic if I can get them. I also take whole food supplements. This protocol has done wonders for me – eliminated my sinus problem, improved my mental alertness, have denser bones, my “insides” work better.

Carol

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “blymielymie” <blymielymie   …> wrote:

> Carol,

> Did I read right…you eliminated meat?

> Please tell me more specific what you eat.

> Thank you

> jaye

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3d. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:30 am ((PST))

I have a clinic in eastern PA.  I also travel North America.  I can use the telephone to get most things done as long as I have honest data.

Wil

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From: beth <bethafish  comcast.net>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:38:57 AM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Where are you located, Wil?

—– Original Message —–

From: Wil Spencer

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:35 AM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

I beg to differ!!!!!

Your diet of very high insoluble fiber is the cause of the acid. In your stomach you need to produce soooo much acid to break open the cellular wall of the fiber and then the very HIGH amounts of insulin to counter act all the starch/carb to make glucose it is insane!

In the book “Fiber Menace” he lays it out painstakingly well. He has a web site called Gut Sence or just fibermenace. com.

You are in the delusion of the old science paradigm.

From what you are saying below you are consuming virtually no availible amino acids and minerals and intern feeding the candida fungus very well and basically causing your body to go into a fasting state!

Just ask NieeMa for my book and you can read what the new science is saying.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: algaelady1 <carol  minnick. us>

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:06:32 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Jaye, yes – no meat – too acidic. This is what I eat:

Breakfast –

Oatmeal “mush” (half oatmeal and half sesame seeds, oat groats and raisins)

Lunch –

Usually a smoothie (made in a VitaMix to keep all the fiber), which includes fruits and/or veggies – banana, blueberries, grapes, strawberries, cranberries, raspberries, pear, apple, kiwi, kale, collards, cucumber, spinach

(not all in the same smoothie, I change it around)

Or a whole food meal replacement bar (if I’m away from my VitaMix) and apple

Supper –

Always a large green salad – romaine, spinach, red peppers, onions, carrots, tomatoes, celery, frozen peas.

Plus other stuff, including:

Beans, rice, other veggie either steamed or raw.

Veggie burger.

Soup.

Stir fry.

Veggie stew.

Pasta/veggies.

Etc. – Huge variety of veggie dishes.

All organic if I can get them. I also take whole food supplements. This protocol has done wonders for me – eliminated my sinus problem, improved my mental alertness, have denser bones, my “insides” work better.

Carol

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “blymielymie” <blymielymie   …> wrote:

> Carol,

> Did I read right…you eliminated meat?

> Please tell me more specific what you eat.

> Thank you

> jaye

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3e. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:44 am ((PST))

I also have a seminar schedule.  This is why I travel.  I have made my clinic somewhat virtual and can meet with small groups anywhere.  All I need is 15 people in an area to schedule a seminar. If you are interested you can go to my web site www.mbsre-set.com to see more and register for a seminar, there is a prepay button on the solution tab towards the bottom.  Or just sponsor a seminar to guarranty the space.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer  rocketmail.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 11:29:57 AM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

I have a clinic in eastern PA.  I also travel North America.  I can use the telephone to get most things done as long as I have honest data.

Wil

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From: beth <bethafish  comcast. net>

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:38:57 AM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Where are you located, Wil?

—– Original Message —–

From: Wil Spencer

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:35 AM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

I beg to differ!!!!!

Your diet of very high insoluble fiber is the cause of the acid. In your stomach you need to produce soooo much acid to break open the cellular wall of the fiber and then the very HIGH amounts of insulin to counter act all the starch/carb to make glucose it is insane!

In the book “Fiber Menace” he lays it out painstakingly well. He has a web site called Gut Sence or just fibermenace. com.

You are in the delusion of the old science paradigm.

From what you are saying below you are consuming virtually no availible amino acids and minerals and intern feeding the candida fungus very well and basically causing your body to go into a fasting state!

Just ask NieeMa for my book and you can read what the new science is saying.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

____________ _________ _________ __

From: algaelady1 <carol  minnick. us>

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:06:32 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Jaye, yes – no meat – too acidic. This is what I eat:

Breakfast –

Oatmeal “mush” (half oatmeal and half sesame seeds, oat groats and raisins)

Lunch –

Usually a smoothie (made in a VitaMix to keep all the fiber), which includes fruits and/or veggies – banana, blueberries, grapes, strawberries, cranberries, raspberries, pear, apple, kiwi, kale, collards, cucumber, spinach

(not all in the same smoothie, I change it around)

Or a whole food meal replacement bar (if I’m away from my VitaMix) and apple

Supper –

Always a large green salad – romaine, spinach, red peppers, onions, carrots, tomatoes, celery, frozen peas.

Plus other stuff, including:

Beans, rice, other veggie either steamed or raw.

Veggie burger.

Soup.

Stir fry.

Veggie stew.

Pasta/veggies.

Etc. – Huge variety of veggie dishes.

All organic if I can get them. I also take whole food supplements. This protocol has done wonders for me – eliminated my sinus problem, improved my mental alertness, have denser bones, my “insides” work better.

Carol

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “blymielymie” <blymielymie   …> wrote:

> Carol,

> Did I read right…you eliminated meat?

> Please tell me more specific what you eat.

> Thank you

> jaye

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3f. Re: 100% cured – Jaye

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:04 pm ((PST))

I can’t believe that the sitr Wil sent us to says, “Normal stools shouldn’t contain any remnants of undigested food. Dietary proteins, fats, carbohydrates, and even fiber must digest completely”.

…that people who fast for weeks still have solid stools!

…there’s zero fiber in mother’s milk!

…people on the Atkins diet get very little or no fiber.

MY Atkins book says otherwise and there’s a whole page of similar GIGO RED FLAGS that just aren’t supported by data.

I think I smell an agenda site at http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:ytOQUOhJp3IJ:www.fibermenace.com/gutsense/flora.html+fibermenace+laughingstock&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

I think we should unravel more of the myths propagated there for laughingstock and edification.

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:

>

> I beg to differ!!!!!

> Your diet of very high insoluble fiber is the cause of the acid.  In your stomach you need to produce soooo much acid to break open the cellular wall of the fiber and then the very HIGH amounts of insulin to counter act all the starch/carb to make glucose it is insane!

> In the book “Fiber Menace”  he lays it out painstakingly well.  He has a web site called Gut Sence or just fibermenace.com.

> You are in the delusion of the old science paradigm.

> From what you are saying below you are consuming virtually no availible amino acids and minerals and intern feeding the candida fungus very well and basically causing your body to go into a fasting state!

> Just ask NieeMa for my book and you can read what the new science is saying.

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: algaelady1 <carol  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:06:32 AM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: 100% cured – Jaye

>

>

> Jaye, yes – no meat – too acidic.  This is what I eat:

>

> Breakfast â”

> Oatmeal “mush” (half oatmeal and half sesame seeds, oat groats and raisins)

>

> Lunch â”

> Usually a smoothie (made in a VitaMix to keep all the fiber), which includes fruits and/or veggies – banana, blueberries, grapes, strawberries, cranberries, raspberries, pear, apple, kiwi, kale, collards, cucumber, spinach

> (not all in the same smoothie, I change it around)

>

> Or a whole food meal replacement bar (if I’m away from my VitaMix) and apple

>

> Supper â”

> Always a large green salad â” romaine, spinach, red peppers, onions, carrots, tomatoes, celery, frozen peas.

> Plus other stuff, including:

> Beans, rice, other veggie either steamed or raw.

> Veggie burger.

> Soup.

> Stir fry.

> Veggie stew.

> Pasta/veggies.

> Etc. â” Huge variety of veggie dishes.

>

> All organic if I can get them.  I also take whole food supplements.  This protocol has done wonders for me – eliminated my sinus problem, improved my mental alertness, have denser bones, my “insides” work better.

>

> Carol

>

> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “blymielymie” <blymielymie   …> wrote:

> > Carol,

> > Did I read right…you eliminated meat?

> > Please tell me more specific what you eat.

> > Thank you

> > jaye

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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4. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS

Posted by: “IMS” imsinfo  yahoo.com imsinfo

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:49 am ((PST))

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), or as it is more recently called, Chronic Fatigue and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS), has only been recognized by the CDC since 1988. Fortunately, most doctors have now abandoned their view that CFS is just something “in your head,” and no longer view it as a psychological disorder.

The CFIDS Association estimates that some 800,000 Americans suffer from this debilitating condition, with a mere 16 percent having been diagnosed.

The characteristics of CFS include:

Extreme fatigue and weakness

Muscle and joint aches and pains

Chronic headaches

Sore throat, swollen glands, and periodic fevers and chills

Numbness and tingling of the extremities

Cognitive dysfunction

Insomnia

The Search Goes on for the “Cause” of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

Despite many researchers making claims they’ve found the cause of CFIDS, there is no agreement about what it is. Much of the research that has emerged over the past ten to twenty years points toward an infectious agent, particularly various viruses. But as to which one, it’s anybody’s guessand it could be that multiple microorganisms are responsible.

But is a virus causing chronic fatigue syndrome, or is chronic fatigue syndrome itself making people more susceptible to infections?

Over the years, several infectious organisms have been blamed:

In the early 1980s, Dr. William Crook, author of the classic book The Yeast Connection, theorized that CFIDS was a result of yeast overgrowth (Candida) in the body. Interestingly, many may not realize that Dr. Crook was actually my initial inspiration to enter natural medicine.

Mycoplasma bacteria have been found in a significant percentage of CFIDS patients, as well as those with fibromyalgia, AIDS, cancer, MS, CJD and other neurosystemic diseases, causing some researchers (including Garth Nicolson) to believe this is the culprit. Mycoplasma has also been an important part of my early protocol of the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis.

Another group of researchers found that more than 80 percent of CFIDS patients tested positive for enteroviral particles from a common stomach virus that had spread from their gut to their central nervous system, heart and muscles–another explanation for CFIDS.

Other viruses have been blamed including Epstein Barr, cytomegalovirus, herpes, and parvovirus, which have all been found to produce symptoms very similar to those experienced by CFIDS sufferers.

Ross River virus and Coxiella burnetti virus are currently being studied as possible causative agents.

Infectious agents aren’t the only theory out there about the cause of this perplexing disease.

Some scientists believe CFIDS results from an abnormality of blood perfusion of the brain. And some camps profess that CFIDS arises from a toxic environmental exposure of some kind. Still others believe CFIDS is a dysfunctional emotional reaction to stress and/or trauma.

All of the above theories have been sent to the presses as “significant breakthroughs” in the cause of this frustrating syndrome–yet so far, no one theory has survived the test of time and been proven to be THE cause.

Now that we’re into the third decade of investigation, advanced tools from human genome research and high-tech imaging studies have caused CFIDS investigators to circle back and look at the relationship of all these potential factors, from immune dysfunction and infectious disease to emotions, as well as risk factors and precipitating triggers.

But the cause and cure remain elusive.

Now there is new evidence that a human gammaretrovirus “XMRV” is present in a significant number of CFIDS sufferersand these researchers have concluded this little-known virus may be causative.

And the Winner Is

It seems to me that the common denominator in all of this, which isn’t normally mentioned, is actually the key: the failure of the immune system to function properly.

With a healthy immune system, you are less likely to be a host for microscopic invaders, regardless of which ones are lurking about. I have always believed the answer lies in strengthening the body, rather than hoping for some new pill or other pharmaceutical invention to rescue you.

A number of studies have supported the view that CFIDS is related to unresolved emotional responses, especially those in early childhood. Traumatic events, stress and negative emotions not only contribute to the development of CFIDS but they can affect your overall physical health. Your emotional health may make the difference between recovering and spending many years being miserable.

Please realize that this is not the same as saying your disease is “all in your head.” It is simply acknowledging the connection between mind and body, and recognizing the need to address healing on both levels.

The best way to recover your health is with wise lifestyle changes and energy work. Taking this approach will automatically improve all measures of your immune system and allow you to resolve any infection that might be contributing to your illness.

Easing Chronic Fatigue Symptoms the Natural Way

My natural treatment program for CFIDS is a five-pronged approach:

1. Bio Energetic Normalization

Emotionally traumatic events can leave “energy blockages” for many years, which then interfere with your overall health, including immune function. Bioenergetic normalization of previous emotional traumas is the single most effective treatment I know of for CFIDS at this time.

There are many different techniques that can be used here, but the Meridian Tapping Technique (MTT) is my favorite. MTT is a procedure that borrows from the much-heralded discoveries of Albert Einstein (everything, including your body, is composed of energy) and from the ancient wisdom of Chinese acupuncture.

In essence, MTT is an emotional version of acupuncture without the need for needles. Instead, certain release points on the body are stimulated by tapping them with your fingertips. Furthermore, the basics of MTT can be learned by anyone and can be self-applied (usually in minutes).

2. Dietary Changes

Beware of anyone recommending a specific “chronic fatigue diet.” One person’s food may be another person’s poison. Instead, look into nutritional typing.

We all process different types of food differently. Just as everyone is different in outward appearance, every person has a unique biochemistry and genetic profile with respect to nutritional needs.

When you adopt a diet based on your “nutritional type,” it is very likely you will resolve most of your health problems over time, including CFIDS, because your body will be have the resources it needs to heal itself. Avoiding sugar, processed food and chemicals is an important part of this dietary change since those things can damage to your immune system and prevent you from recovering.

3. Exercise

People suffering from either the fatigue of CFIDS or the pain if Fibromyalgia (a closely related cousin to CFIDS) tend to shy away from exercise, and understandably so. However, research shows that a combination of aerobic activity and strength training can improve pain and fatigue symptoms. Gentle exercise such as yoga can be an excellent part of your exercise program–and yoga benefits the mind as well as the body.

Many people with CFIDS battle weight issues, and regular exercise can help with this by boosting your metabolism and normalizing your blood sugar.

4. Avoid Toxic Substances

Avoiding processed foods and artificial sweeteners is a good start. But beware of chemicals in your environment, also…air, water, and products that contact your skin.

Many cleaning products and personal care productslike soaps, shampoos, and creamsare laden with toxic chemicals that further compromise your ability to heal. Also avoid fluoride in your drinking water AND bathing water by installing good quality filters for both.

5. Sleep

Good, restorative sleep is critical when you have a chronic illness. It isn’t just the amount of sleep but also sleep quality that is important for healing. Your body cannot restore itself unless you are getting into deep, restorative sleep each night.

As tempting as it is to wait for science to find a miracle cure, the time to turn around your health is NOW.

There is no magic bullet, so there is no point in waiting around for one before taking action. You can make a huge difference in how you feel by using the natural approach, and it will be effective no matter what the causative factors are.

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5a. Re: Candida diet = wasting away…

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:53 pm ((PST))

Paul, an undenatured whey isolate is listed in the Physicians Desktop Reference for Precription Drugs as a specific anti-wasting tool, useful even against cachexia (medical term for wasting) in cancer and AIDS. We use a similar product in the anti-candida diet but we only use about half as much as we would for body building. You ccould step up your dose to what a body builder or cachexia patient would use.

all good,

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Paspenc5  … wrote:

>

> It seems most people here agree that strict adherence to the candida diet

> is necessary for healing.

>

> But has anyone here noticed excessive and unreasonable weight loss while on

> the diet?

>

> When I completely remove carbs from my diet, I lose more than a pound a

> day.  The longest I’ve gone without carbs is 3 weeks — and I lost 22 pounds

> while doing it!  I am a very lean man to begin with (normally 145 lbs., and

> 5’8″), and after 3 weeks of no carbs, I looked like someone with a terminal

> disease — the complete opposite of “healthy”.  As a result, I had to

> incorporate some carbs back into my diet.

>

> Am I the only one who experiences this?  Any feedback would be appreciated.

>

>

> Thanks,

> Paul

>

>

>

>

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>

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5b. Re: Candida diet = wasting away…

Posted by: “toddroberts2001  aol.com” toddroberts2001  aol.com roberts50000

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:24 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/11/2009 7:17:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Paspenc5  cs.com writes:

It seems most people here agree that strict adherence to the candida diet

is necessary for healing.

But has anyone here noticed excessive and  unreasonable weight loss while

on

the diet?

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Since July I have been on a strict low-sugar diet and notice that is

the only way I can lose weight. Since July I have lost about 25 lbs

and feel better and better each day. I do add Virgin Olive Oil to my

vegetables and that gives me plenty of good energy throughout the

day. Sometimes I will add Coconut oil to my cooked veggies.

I have cut back on most grains but do eat vegetables every

day plus home-made plain yogurt and lots of fermented Sauerkraut.  This

has greatly helped my Candida problem. I would guess I might be

about 85% cured of Candida nowadays.

I feel I am close to my normal weight now – 160 lbs.    5’8″.  I  probably

should be closer to 150lbs but I am getting there. If I ever want to  gain

weight I know how to do it – just eat more sugar and drink sugary drinks

and eat junk foods and lots of grains – it packs on the pounds. If I do

that though I know the

Candida will explode in my system again and I have no desire for that, plus

the low energy levels and brain fog that goes along with it. Read the book

Sugar Blues by William Dufty. It has been a real inspiration to me over the

years.

Todd R

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6a. Fiber 3rd most abundant component in human milk

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:06 pm ((PST))

Hum,an Milk oligosaccharides (HMO are prebiotic fiber) are the third most abundant component of human milk (9), and at least 130 different masses have been identified (14).

http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/72/6/4497.pdf

Mama’s body ain’t wrong; death to the agendsa site fibermenace dotcom!

all good,

Duncan

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6b. Re: Fiber 3rd most abundant component in human milk

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:37 pm ((PST))

I love you Duncan! You are so funny!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligosaccharides  ”this is saying sugar not fiber”

If you have not been aware of the word “prebiotic” is a new term for the sale of industrial products that they use to pay to get rid of.

This is the old paradigm that is having trouble excepting the new science that is coming.

Wil a realist

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From: DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:06:26 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Fiber 3rd most abundant component in human milk

Hum,an Milk oligosaccharides (HMO are prebiotic fiber) are the third most abundant component of human milk (9), and at least 130 different masses have been identified (14).

http://aem.asm. org/cgi/reprint/ 72/6/4497. pdf

Mama’s body ain’t wrong; death to the agendsa site fibermenace dotcom!

all good,

Duncan

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6c. Re: Fiber 3rd most abundant component in human milk

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:10 pm ((PST))

Wil, just to let you know, oligosaccharides in mother’s milk are in fact indigestible soluble fiber. Yes, they’re made of sugar molecules strung end-to-end but they are not sugar. Bacteria must present a specific enzyme to break them down. Probiotics produce this enzyme; pathogens generally do not (guess you missed this in university, eh?).

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:

>

> I love you Duncan! You are so funny!

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligosaccharides  ”this is saying sugar not fiber”

>

> If you have not been aware of the word “prebiotic” is a new term for the sale of industrial products that they use to pay to get rid of.

>

> This is the old paradigm that is having trouble excepting the new science that is coming.

>

> Wil a realist

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: DuncanC <duncancrow  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:06:26 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Fiber 3rd most abundant component in human milk

>

>

> Hum,an Milk oligosaccharides (HMO are prebiotic fiber) are the third most abundant component of human milk (9), and at least 130 different masses have been identified (14).

>

> http://aem.asm. org/cgi/reprint/ 72/6/4497. pdf

>

> Mama’s body ain’t wrong; death to the agendsa site fibermenace dotcom!

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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7. d-mannose

Posted by: “Janet Groneman” jangro1  yahoo.com jangro1

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:24 pm ((PST))

Duncan, never mind answering my email about getting the d-mannose.  After I thought about it, I remember taking it several years ago, and it didn’t work for me at that time.  Thanks anyway.  Janet

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8a. Candida diet = wasting away…Duncan

Posted by: “Paspenc5  cs.com” Paspenc5  cs.com lemonade19882000

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:24 pm ((PST))

Duncan,

I’m allergic to dairy — can I still use undenatured whey isolate?

(Another reason the candida diet is hard for me is that I’m very allergic.

For example, I’m allergic to eggs — and they are a staple of the candida

diet).

Thanks,

Paul

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8b. Re: Candida diet = wasting away…Duncan

Posted by: “sol” solbun  sweetwaterhsa.com cat_thump

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:48 pm ((PST))

Paspenc5  cs.com wrote:

> (Another reason the candida diet is hard for me is that I’m very

> allergic. For example, I’m allergic to eggs — and they are a staple

> of the candida diet).

My sympathies. I’m in a similar position. I have few really safe protein

choices. Lucky for me I can eat some eggs if I don’t overdo them. But I

can’t tolerate enough of them to make them a significant protein source.

I have things I can eat if I dose up on antihistamines beforehand, but

that is not a viable everyday option, obviously.

sol

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8c. Re: Candida diet = wasting away…Duncan

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:04 pm ((PST))

Paul, the physicians desk reference for prescription drugs says one whey isolate is well tolerated by severely milk-sensitive individuals. I think whether the allergic might still react depends on whether the reactive component has been removed or not. Many isolates may qualify for you.

all good,

DUncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Paspenc5  … wrote:

>

> Duncan,

>

> I’m allergic to dairy — can I still use undenatured whey isolate?

>

> (Another reason the candida diet is hard for me is that I’m very allergic.

> For example, I’m allergic to eggs — and they are a staple of the candida

> diet).

>

> Thanks,

> Paul

>

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1a. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

From: Wil Spencer

2a. Re: DIM

From: Wil Spencer

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1a. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 5:49 am ((PST))

You see Duncan, candida, in a healthy person normally lives in a small section of our intestines along with Salminella, E.Coli, staph, strep and 700 other microorganism.  This is our immunity and digestibility.  Candida is also in the air and the soil.  ”To cure candida” is just a statement of the unimformed,  You can not cure candida!  You can stop an overgrowth and put candida into its natural parameter, but the natural parameters are kept by the bacillus Laterosporus BOD in our gut.

My diet consist of fruit in the morning, usally a banana and some times a little bit of yoghurt, some cheese and another fruit in the mid day, and in the evening I have some kind of fatty red meat or fish fried in butter or lard with a mushroom onion and cream sause that I am addicted to.  I eat amino acids and minerals, light and information according to Quantum Physics!

For supplements I take the things I use in my clinic with my clients.  There is a verse that I took literally from the apocrypha many years ago, “Physician go and heal thy self”, I was/am my first client.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: carmensa <can2cis-y  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 1:30:38 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Duncan,I don’t see where you get such “reading”

Candida overgrowth we get under control but some of the devastating side effects it leaves on our body may not be reversible …

Some have it more severe then others…

peace,

carmen

Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Posted by:      ”DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw. ca duncancrow

Sun Nov 1, 2009 5:02 pm        (PST)

Just to put a point on it, you stated you have not been able to cure your own candida, Wil. Are you still low carbing?

Duncan

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:

>

> It sure is a possible. I was born with a severe candida over

growth. My mother had a severe over growth to the point her breast milk

was so toxic it just about killed me the first week of my life. The

candida overgrowth was with me till I was 24 years old. I can tell I

have flareups when I am under stress and abuse my body and burn my

candle on all ends.

>

> Wil

>

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Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 8:07 am ((PST))

When one has a severe candida overgrowth the candida interferes with the hormones balances and creates a natural progestorone which causes huge problems in women.  It is really, in my experience, that the candida overgrowth is causing the hormone problems. I do address this in my book of Candida, which you can view an download from my web site www.environotics.com or www.mbsre-set.com.

In my clinical experience all your problems are related to a gut imbalance, Lisa, and an electrical system that is not in harmony.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: IMS <imsinfo  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 1:50:53 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] DIM

I wonder if somebody tried DIM?

I was going to try but in my age 52 it is probably not a good idea bc estrogen should drop itself. My estrogen is too high according to saliva test and I belive so bc I have many related problems _ adenomyoma fibroid, otosclerosis and hot flashes. Some expert say hormone inbalace cause candida too.

Though my blood test is different and showed very high progesterone instead I am still concern about estrogen too. I have red that too much of both can cause reflux and dismotility problems.When I took progesteron I had severe burning in esophasgus but it could be estrogen influence as it is increasing too.

Lisa

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

From: carmensa

2. DIM

From: IMS

3. Fw: ONIONS!! Interesting

From: carmensa

4. Need Help: gut inflammation and transfer factor?

From: emilynk.chan

5a. Re: yeast in blood?

From: Paspenc5  cs.com

6a. amalgams

From: daisytiff228  aol.com

7a. Re: HELP – how to continue with biomed?

From: emilynk.chan

8a. Re: Cocunut oil

From: can_cis

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1a. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Posted by: “carmensa” can2cis-y  yahoo.com can_cis

Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 10:31 am ((PST))

Duncan,I don’t see where you get such “reading”

Candida overgrowth we get under control but some of the devastating side effects it leaves on our body may not be reversible …

Some have it more severe then others…

peace,

carmen

Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Posted by:      ”DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca    duncancrow

Sun Nov 1, 2009 5:02 pm        (PST)

Just to put a point on it, you stated you have not been able to cure your own candida, Wil. Are you still low carbing?

Duncan

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:

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> It sure is a possible. I was born with a severe candida over

growth. My mother had a severe over growth to the point her breast milk

was so toxic it just about killed me the first week of my life. The

candida overgrowth was with me till I was 24 years old. I can tell I

have flareups when I am under stress and abuse my body and burn my

candle on all ends.

>

> Wil

>

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Posted by: “IMS” imsinfo  yahoo.com imsinfo

Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 10:55 am ((PST))

I wonder if somebody tried DIM?

I was going to try but in my age 52 it is probably not a good idea bc estrogen should drop itself. My estrogen is too high according to saliva test and I belive so bc I have many related problems _ adenomyoma fibroid, otosclerosis and hot flashes. Some expert say hormone inbalace cause candida too.

Though my blood test is different and showed very high progesterone instead I am still concern about estrogen too. I have red that too much of both can cause reflux and dismotility problems.When I took progesteron I had severe burning in esophasgus but it could be estrogen influence as it is increasing too.

Lisa

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3. Fw: ONIONS!! Interesting

Posted by: “carmensa” can2cis-y  yahoo.com can_cis

Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:30 pm ((PST))

We already know that onions and garlic are one of nature’s most powerful antifungals, antibacterial, antiseptics, etc

FWD: ——————

A friend

of mine told me a story about how when he was a kid he was in the hospital

& near dying. His Italian grandmother came to the hospital & told a

family member to go buy her a large onion & a new pair of white cotton

socks. She sliced the onion open then put a slice on the bottom of each of his

feet & put the white cotton socks on him. In the morning when he awoke they

removed the socks. The slices of onion were black & his fever was gone.

The

following story that someone sent to me might have some truth in it & we

are going to try this winter.  In 1919

when the flu killed 40 million people there was this Doctor that visited the

many farmers to see if he could help them combat the flu. Many of the farmers

and their family had contracted it and many died.The doctor came upon this one

farmer and to his surprise, everyone was very healthy. When the doctor asked

what the farmer was doing that was different the wife replied that she had

placed an unpeeled onion in a dish in the rooms of the home, (probably only two

rooms back then). The doctor couldn’t believe it and asked if he could have one

of the onions and place it under the microscope. She gave him one and when he

did this, he did find the flu virus in the onion. It obviously absorbed the

bacteria, therefore, keeping the family healthy.

Now, I heard this story from my hairdresser in

AZ. She said that several years ago many of her employees were coming down with

the flu and so were many of her customers. The next year she placed several

bowls with onions around in her shop. To her surprise, none of her staff got

sick. It must work.. (And no, she is not in the onion business.)

The moral

of the story is, buy some onions and place them in bowls around your home. If

you work at a desk, place one or two in your office or under your desk or even

on top somewhere. Try it and see what happens. We did it last year and we never

got the flu.  If this helps you and your

loved ones from getting sick, all the better. If you do get the flu, it just

might be a mild case.. Whatever, what have you got to lose? Just a few bucks on

onions!!!!!!

Now there

is a P. S. to this for I sent it to a friend in Oregon who regularly

contributes material to me on health issues. She replied with this most

interesting experience about onions:Weldon, thanks for the reminder. I don’t

know about the farmers story…but, I do know that I contacted pneumonia and

needless to say I was very ill…I came across an article that said to cut both

ends off an onion put one end on a fork and then place the forked end into an

empty jar…placing the jar next to the sick patient at night. It said the

onion would be black in the morning from the germs…sure enough it happened

just like that…the onion was a mess and I began to feel better.

Another

thing I read in the article was that onions and garlic placed around the room

saved many from the black plague years ago.  They have powerful antibacterial, antiseptic properties

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4. Need Help: gut inflammation and transfer factor?

Posted by: “emilynk.chan” emilynk.chan  yahoo.com emilynk.chan

Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:34 pm ((PST))

Hi Listmates,

I just got my son’s CDSA stool test results which shows that he has very elevated levels of Lysozyme at 1490 (ref is =<600) and lactoferrin at 6.7 (ref is <7.3) and slgA at 490 which is also outside range.  He was also positive for occult blood.  Lately his stool has been loose and very yellow, and I notice he has been sleeping on his tummy for a couple of weeks.

The results seem to indicate inflammation because a CDSA done just 1 month ago showed lysozyme at 150, lactoferrin at 0.9 and slgA at 18.  I am not sure whether the inflammation is triggered by bacteria or food or something ingested.  I have just started transfer factor shortly before the sample for stool test was collected and I don’t know if the transfer factor could cause this kind of reaction.  Can anyone help please?

Many thanks

Regards,

Emily

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5a. Re: yeast in blood?

Posted by: “Paspenc5  cs.com” Paspenc5  cs.com lemonade19882000

Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:34 pm ((PST))

If one has developed “Leaky Gut Syndrome”, it seems entirely possible to me

that yeast can find its way into the blood stream…

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Posted by: “daisytiff228  aol.com” daisytiff228  aol.com litldaisytiff

Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:36 pm ((PST))

Was wondering if anyone here had mercury amalgams removed? I believe this

is my cause of the candida issue. So im planning to have them removed first.

Then work on the candida issue.

I just dont know if I should chelate first. It sounds kind of scary and it

says you have to do it for a few years. I think id rather remove the

mercury and  then work on the candida issue and skip the chelation, just not sure

if its  necessary or not?

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Posted by: “emilynk.chan” emilynk.chan  yahoo.com emilynk.chan

Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:37 pm ((PST))

Hi Jane,

Thank you for your input.

Actually now I am minded to go down the nautropath route also.  My son’s naturopath says my son has kidney and adrenal problems and she has given him so naturopath/ homeopathic stuff to deal with that.

Hope these will help.  Ever since taking him off most DAN supps, he is much happier, calmer and more engaging and relaxed.  Makes me wonder whether pushing all those supps down his throat in the past 2 years hurt him at all…..

Regards,

Emily

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Jane” <GreenEcoBean  …> wrote:

>

> Emily -

>

> I was told (by a ND) not too long ago that my son (also autism) could not

> handle any supplements until I worked on his kidneys.

>

> So maybe look at organ support for a bit and then try other supplements down

> the road.

>

> Jane

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 5:27:33 AM

> Subject: [candidiasis] HELP – how to continue with biomed?

>

>

> Hi Listmates,

>

> I have been doing biomed on my son for 2 years with little progress. Biggest

> problem is my son seems intolerant of most of the supps I gave and he falls

> ill easily and then becomes even more intolerant of the supps. So these 2

> years have been like start-stop, start-stop for me with little progress.

>

> Just recently I started doing antifungals on him and restarting on

> supplements again. But as soon as I add more supps (esp vit B’s), he starts

> to show signs of distress with a lot of aggitation, temper tantrums,

> spaciness, unable to focus, increased verbal stims and other stims,

> unresponsive. So a week ago I decided to stop most of the supps and then he

> became relaxed, happy with little stim and performing much, much better at

> therapy class, no more teeth grinding.

>

> The only supps he was on before I stopped this time round were zinc,

> Magnesium citrate, Vitamin B6, P5P, Biotin, MB12 shots, Methylfolate,

> various probiotics, transfer factor, taurine. A wek ago I stopped everything

> except zinc, probiotics, transfer factor and antifungal medicine with

> occasional charcoal – and he began to feel and perform so much better.

> Despite that his OAT and other tests shows that he still has a lot of

> deficiencies – like VitB6, folic acid, B12, selenium, Vit D, Vit E.

>

> I am really puzzled – so does that mean I will never be able to upload him

> with all the supps that he needs?

>

> Any input would be hugely appreciated.

>

> REgards,

> Emily

>

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8a. Re: Cocunut oil

Posted by: “can_cis” can2cis-y  yahoo.com can_cis

Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 6:43 pm ((PST))

Greg, there are things that can be changed, there is acceptance for the things that can not be changed and there is wisdom to know the difference.

This is the acceptance I’m talking about…

enjoy the ride,

carmen

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “dreaminginnoother” <dreaminginnoother  …> wrote:

>

> I haven’t taken it in almost 2 years.  I still don’t get “acceptance”.  The whole thing still sounds like another way to tell others their plights are their own faults in thinking.  Makes the inconvenience of empathy avoidable.

>

> greg

Ozone steam sauna therapy works too, without shredding your veins

> Ozone steam sauna therapy works too, without shredding your veins

> > Ozone steam sauna therapy works too, without shredding your veins

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Green tea

From: Teddyberen  Aol.com

1b. Re: Green tea

From: sol

2a. Re: yeast in blood?

From: Wil Spencer

3a. Re: advice

From: Wil Spencer

4a. Re: Intravenous hydrogen peroxide

From: Wil Spencer

4b. Re: Intravenous hydrogen peroxide

From: DuncanC

4c. Re: Intravenous hydrogen peroxide

From: DuncanC

5a. Re: candida diet/ naturally thriving site

From: can2cis-y  yahoo.com

6a. Re: HELP – how to continue with biomed?

From: can2cis-y  yahoo.com

6b. Re: HELP – how to continue with biomed?

From: Jane

6c. Re: HELP – how to continue with biomed?

From: Jane

6d. Re: HELP – how to continue with biomed?

From: Wil Spencer

7a. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

From: IMS

7b. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

From: Wil Spencer

7c. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

From: DuncanC

8a. Re: Haital Hernia

From: IMS

8b. Re: Haital Hernia

From: Wil Spencer

9a. Re: yeast in blood

From: Michael Forrest

9b. Re: yeast in blood

From: Wil Spencer

10a. Re: GR8-Dophilus

From: DuncanC

10b. Re: GR8-Dophilus

From: NieeMA

11. Adrenaline – new function for stress hormone

From: DuncanC

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1a. Re: Green tea

Posted by: “Teddyberen  Aol.com” Teddyberen  Aol.com tzane12

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 4:03 am ((PST))

I would think green tea is ok. Just watch what you sweeten it with. I use

stevia only.If anyone has heard any difference, I may be wrong.

DM

In a message dated 10/31/2009 10:12:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

guitarnola  yahoo.com writes:

Is green tea acceptable on an anti-candida diet?

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Posted by: “sol” solbun  sweetwaterhsa.com cat_thump

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 10:23 am ((PST))

Teddyberen  Aol.com wrote:

> I would think green tea is ok. Just watch what you sweeten it with. I use

> stevia only.If anyone has heard any difference, I may be wrong.

> DM

Green, black, and white tea all are high in fluoride (so is rooibos tea,

which is not a camellia sp.?). The reason is that tea (camellia

sinensis) only grows in high fluoride soils.

Aside from the fluoride issue, caffeine is a problem for some people.

And decaf teas can be even higher in fluoride than non-decafs, if the

water used in the caffeine removal is fluoridated. I would guess the

same applies to water process decaf coffee if the water used is fluoridated.

sol

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2a. Re: yeast in blood?

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 6:44 am ((PST))

The statement of “you would have to be on life support to have yeast in the blood” is insane by my experience.  Although, you can have a severe candida overgrowth and not have candida albicans in the blood.  Most of the time it is the acids and toxins from the candida that are in the blood and I have not heard or seen a medical doctor that tests for these acids and toxins.

If you are interested in new research you can view and download my book “Candida-The Underlying Cause of the Unconscious Conspiracy Against Our Health” from www.environotics.com.  This book is a result of over 8 years of clinical research several other researchers also.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: sandi <srobinsoniii  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 1:40:42 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] yeast in blood?

Dan dr. showed us what was supposed to be yeast in my son’s blood smear.

Every pediatrician that I have been to in our town just doesn’t believe me. They all say he would have to be a very sick AIDS patient and then I read a blog by a guy who does live blood cell analysis and he said that a person would have to be on life support to have yeast in blood! So which is it. A yeast site showed a slide with yeast in it. I am not questioning my son’s DAN dr. as he has helped my son so much, but I would love some more info so I can call the pediatrician out on this. I just feel uniformed and not prepared to have this battle. Does anyone have any info to help me. I am tired of dealing with these Dr.s in town, but my son’s DAN dr. is in another state so I have to rely on local Dr.s too.

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3a. Re: advice

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 6:48 am ((PST))

After using almost natural and medical antifungal on the market, the MMS is still the best in my clinical experience and it is the most inexpensive at a cost of $25 for ruffily a 6 month supply.

Wil

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From: “can2cis-y  yahoo.com” <can2cis-y  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:28:59 PM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] advice

Tiffany,

fighting candida includes a strict diet regime.

The diet is the most important factor in overcoming candida, as via strict diet you stop feeding your candida. Take your time to get into the diet but don’t take to much time. Candida feeds on sugar and high carbs.  Here’s more info: http://www.naturall ythriving. com/basics/ cfd.php

Antifungals will be step 2 and there is much debate over which works best.  You will have to find for yourself which works best for you. Alot of people have success with Threelac or Caproil kit.Make sure that you start on low dosage with antifungals and increase slowly.

http://threelac. com/

http://www.inno- vite.com/ en3/products/ Intestinal% 20Cleansing/ index.php The Yeast Buster Kit

hope this helps,

carmen

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From: “daisytiff228   aol.com” <daisytiff228   aol.com>

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 12:51:36 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] advice

Hi everyone,

I’m only 25 and have been suffering with weird health problems for years

that I believe is due to candida. Been tested for so many things.. doctors

just  make me worse. Im sure I have candida trouble. I get yeast infections

way too  much as well.

I think my candida is due to my 12 mercury amalgam fillings probably. I

plan to find a holistic dentist with a decent price that can remove these over

the next few months. After that, I want to fight the candida and hope that

SOMETHING will get better. Can anyone give me advice on the best ways to

fight  candida? Im really unsure about everything and could really use some

help.

Thanks guys,

Tiffany

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4a. Re: Intravenous hydrogen peroxide

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 6:52 am ((PST))

But my question is once you take the symptoms away then what?  You have done nothing for core health.

Wil

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From: DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 11:52:29 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Intravenous hydrogen peroxide

Ozone steam sauna therapy works too, without shredding your veins

You can also use vaginal insufflation while youre in the sauna, or while reading in front of the TV.

Duncan Crow (an ozone therapist in Canada)

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “IMS” <imsinfo  … > wrote:

>

> CANDIDA

> I have found it in Testimonials group in Yahoo.

> If somebody tried this too?

>

> Charles H. Farr, M.D., Ph.D., has treated hundreds of patients with chronic

> systemic candida, or yeast infection, using intravenous hydrogen peroxide,

> at his clinic in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

>

> A woman, age 34, had been suffering with systemic yeast infection for 5

> years and had taken a barrage of antibiotics and practiced rotation and

> elimination diets, to no effect. She had vaginal yeast infection,

> intermittent diarrhea, headaches, acne, lethargy, joint pain, mental

> confusion, menstrual irregularities, and had been unable to work for 2

> years.

>

> Dr. Farr started her on once weekly intravenous infusions of hydrogen

> peroxide; after only 2 treatments, she reported feeling more alert and able

> to concentrate better and that she was feeling much better. After the third

> treatment, her complexion started to improve, all signs of her vaginitis

> disappeared, and her bowel function became normal. After 8 treatments, she

> was free of all the symptoms that had plagued her for 5 years; and after 2

> more months, she went job-hunting.

>

> -SOURCE: Oxygen Healing Therapies for Optimum Health & Vitality, Nathaniel

> Altman, Healing Arts Press, Rochester, VT, 1995.

>

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4b. Re: Intravenous hydrogen peroxide

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 4:51 pm ((PST))

Wil: Oxygen does much more than take away symptoms, man! This primer, called The Story of Ozone, should be a delightful read for you. Naturopaths in BC officially adopted this therapy in 1994; maybe some of your colleagues have heard about it.

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:

>

> But my question is once you take the symptoms away then what?  You have done nothing for core health.

> Wil

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: DuncanC <duncancrow  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 11:52:29 AM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Intravenous hydrogen peroxide

>

>

> Ozone steam sauna therapy works too, without shredding your veins

>

> You can also use vaginal insufflation while youre in the sauna, or while reading in front of the TV.

>

> Duncan Crow (an ozone therapist in Canada)

>

> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “IMS” <imsinfo   > wrote:

> >

> > CANDIDA

> > I have found it in Testimonials group in Yahoo.

> > If somebody tried this too?

> >

> > Charles H. Farr, M.D., Ph.D., has treated hundreds of patients with chronic

> > systemic candida, or yeast infection, using intravenous hydrogen peroxide,

> > at his clinic in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

> >

> > A woman, age 34, had been suffering with systemic yeast infection for 5

> > years and had taken a barrage of antibiotics and practiced rotation and

> > elimination diets, to no effect. She had vaginal yeast infection,

> > intermittent diarrhea, headaches, acne, lethargy, joint pain, mental

> > confusion, menstrual irregularities, and had been unable to work for 2

> > years.

> >

> > Dr. Farr started her on once weekly intravenous infusions of hydrogen

> > peroxide; after only 2 treatments, she reported feeling more alert and able

> > to concentrate better and that she was feeling much better. After the third

> > treatment, her complexion started to improve, all signs of her vaginitis

> > disappeared, and her bowel function became normal. After 8 treatments, she

> > was free of all the symptoms that had plagued her for 5 years; and after 2

> > more months, she went job-hunting.

> >

> > -SOURCE: Oxygen Healing Therapies for Optimum Health & Vitality, Nathaniel

> > Altman, Healing Arts Press, Rochester, VT, 1995.

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4c. Re: Intravenous hydrogen peroxide

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 5:19 pm ((PST))

Here’s a The Story Of Ozone link:

<http://www.smile.org.au/OurApproachToCancers/TheStoryOfOzone.htm>

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “DuncanC” <duncancrow  …> wrote:

>

> Wil: Oxygen does much more than take away symptoms, man! This primer, called The Story of Ozone, should be a delightful read for you. Naturopaths in BC officially adopted this therapy in 1994; maybe some of your colleagues have heard about it.

>

> Duncan

>

> — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  > wrote:

> >

> > But my question is once you take the symptoms away then what?  You have done nothing for core health.

> > Wil

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: DuncanC <duncancrow  >

> > To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 11:52:29 AM

> > Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Intravenous hydrogen peroxide

> >

> >

> > Ozone steam sauna therapy works too, without shredding your veins

> >

> > You can also use vaginal insufflation while youre in the sauna, or while reading in front of the TV.

> >

> > Duncan Crow (an ozone therapist in Canada)

> >

> > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “IMS” <imsinfo   > wrote:

> > >

> > > CANDIDA

> > > I have found it in Testimonials group in Yahoo.

> > > If somebody tried this too?

> > >

> > > Charles H. Farr, M.D., Ph.D., has treated hundreds of patients with chronic

> > > systemic candida, or yeast infection, using intravenous hydrogen peroxide,

> > > at his clinic in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

> > >

> > > A woman, age 34, had been suffering with systemic yeast infection for 5

> > > years and had taken a barrage of antibiotics and practiced rotation and

> > > elimination diets, to no effect. She had vaginal yeast infection,

> > > intermittent diarrhea, headaches, acne, lethargy, joint pain, mental

> > > confusion, menstrual irregularities, and had been unable to work for 2

> > > years.

> > >

> > > Dr. Farr started her on once weekly intravenous infusions of hydrogen

> > > peroxide; after only 2 treatments, she reported feeling more alert and able

> > > to concentrate better and that she was feeling much better. After the third

> > > treatment, her complexion started to improve, all signs of her vaginitis

> > > disappeared, and her bowel function became normal. After 8 treatments, she

> > > was free of all the symptoms that had plagued her for 5 years; and after 2

> > > more months, she went job-hunting.

> > >

> > > -SOURCE: Oxygen Healing Therapies for Optimum Health & Vitality, Nathaniel

> > > Altman, Healing Arts Press, Rochester, VT, 1995.

> > >

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5a. Re: candida diet/ naturally thriving site

Posted by: “can2cis-y  yahoo.com” can2cis-y  yahoo.com can_cis

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 8:27 am ((PST))

Tiffany,

yes, I have over a year of strict candida diet and was gluten free prior to that.

In my experience I benefited from probiotics soone in the diet and not later.

Currenlty I am taking MMS, 100+ probiotics and lateroflora and these provide the best results I’m getting ever.

Some stay longer on the program then others. Your body will tell you, you’ll know.

Do some reasearch on amalgam fillings and see what is the common factor then decide what is best for you. I like what I read about MMS and I like how my body likes it to.

You can start the diet right away, no need to wait.

enjoy the ride,

carmen

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From: “daisytiff228  aol.com” <daisytiff228  aol.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 2:21:54 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] candida diet/ naturally thriving site

Carmen,

Thanks for the website you gave me. Very informative. Have you, or anyone

else in this site followed the candida diet, then did the antifungal

treatment, then finished with the probiotics.

I am wondering how long you must stay on each step. i.e., how long do I

stay on the diet for before I move on to antifungals, etc?

I believe my candida trouble is coming from my amalgams (have about 12). I

am going to concentrate on getting them out first, than (possibly) chelate,

then do the candida treatment.

thanks again everyone,

Tiffany

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6a. Re: HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Posted by: “can2cis-y  yahoo.com” can2cis-y  yahoo.com can_cis

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 8:37 am ((PST))

Emily have you tried smaller does of the B vitamins?

maybe 1/4 the recommended dose when you try again?

Or after you eliminate all the supps, introduce only 1 supp per week and see how it goes. re-introduce the Bs the last as they are energizing.

Is your sone autistic? Does he follow a sugar free, dairy free and grain free diet?

don’t give up. hang in there.

carmen

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From: emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 5:27:33 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Hi Listmates,

I have been doing biomed on my son for 2 years with little progress. Biggest problem is my son seems intolerant of most of the supps I gave and he falls ill easily and then becomes even more intolerant of the supps. So these 2 years have been like start-stop, start-stop for me with little progress.

Just recently I started doing antifungals on him and restarting on supplements again. But as soon as I add more supps (esp vit B’s), he starts to show signs of distress with a lot of aggitation, temper tantrums, spaciness, unable to focus, increased verbal stims and other stims, unresponsive. So a week ago I decided to stop most of the supps and then he became relaxed, happy with little stim and performing much, much better at therapy class, no more teeth grinding.

The only supps he was on before I stopped this time round were zinc, Magnesium citrate, Vitamin B6, P5P, Biotin, MB12 shots, Methylfolate, various probiotics, transfer factor, taurine. A wek ago I stopped everything except zinc, probiotics, transfer factor and antifungal medicine with occasional charcoal – and he began to feel and perform so much better. Despite that his OAT and other tests shows that he still has a lot of deficiencies – like VitB6, folic acid, B12, selenium, Vit D, Vit E.

I am really puzzled – so does that mean I will never be able to upload him with all the supps that he needs?

Any input would be hugely appreciated.

REgards,

Emily

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6b. Re: HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Posted by: “Jane” GreenEcoBean  cox.net rominick2

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 10:50 am ((PST))

You could also try Nano Stess B, a highly absorbable B complex vitamin.

——-Original Message——-

From: can2cis-y  yahoo.com

Date: 11/1/2009 11:37:23 AM

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Emily have you tried smaller does of the B vitamins?

maybe 1/4 the recommended dose when you try again?

Or after you eliminate all the supps, introduce only 1 supp per week and see

how it goes. re-introduce the Bs the last as they are energizing.

Is your sone autistic? Does he follow a sugar free, dairy free and grain

free diet?

don’t give up. hang in there.

carmen

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From: emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 5:27:33 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Hi Listmates,

I have been doing biomed on my son for 2 years with little progress. Biggest

problem is my son seems intolerant of most of the supps I gave and he falls

ill easily and then becomes even more intolerant of the supps. So these 2

years have been like start-stop, start-stop for me with little progress.

Just recently I started doing antifungals on him and restarting on

supplements again. But as soon as I add more supps (esp vit B’s), he starts

to show signs of distress with a lot of aggitation, temper tantrums,

spaciness, unable to focus, increased verbal stims and other stims,

unresponsive. So a week ago I decided to stop most of the supps and then he

became relaxed, happy with little stim and performing much, much better at

therapy class, no more teeth grinding.

The only supps he was on before I stopped this time round were zinc,

Magnesium citrate, Vitamin B6, P5P, Biotin, MB12 shots, Methylfolate,

various probiotics, transfer factor, taurine. A wek ago I stopped everything

except zinc, probiotics, transfer factor and antifungal medicine with

occasional charcoal – and he began to feel and perform so much better.

Despite that his OAT and other tests shows that he still has a lot of

deficiencies – like VitB6, folic acid, B12, selenium, Vit D, Vit E.

I am really puzzled – so does that mean I will never be able to upload him

with all the supps that he needs?

Any input would be hugely appreciated.

REgards,

Emily

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6c. Re: HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Posted by: “Jane” GreenEcoBean  cox.net rominick2

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 10:51 am ((PST))

Emily -

I was told (by a ND) not too long ago that my son (also autism) could not

handle any supplements until I worked on his kidneys.

So maybe look at organ support for a bit and then try other supplements down

the road.

Jane

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From: emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 5:27:33 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Hi Listmates,

I have been doing biomed on my son for 2 years with little progress. Biggest

problem is my son seems intolerant of most of the supps I gave and he falls

ill easily and then becomes even more intolerant of the supps. So these 2

years have been like start-stop, start-stop for me with little progress.

Just recently I started doing antifungals on him and restarting on

supplements again. But as soon as I add more supps (esp vit B’s), he starts

to show signs of distress with a lot of aggitation, temper tantrums,

spaciness, unable to focus, increased verbal stims and other stims,

unresponsive. So a week ago I decided to stop most of the supps and then he

became relaxed, happy with little stim and performing much, much better at

therapy class, no more teeth grinding.

The only supps he was on before I stopped this time round were zinc,

Magnesium citrate, Vitamin B6, P5P, Biotin, MB12 shots, Methylfolate,

various probiotics, transfer factor, taurine. A wek ago I stopped everything

except zinc, probiotics, transfer factor and antifungal medicine with

occasional charcoal – and he began to feel and perform so much better.

Despite that his OAT and other tests shows that he still has a lot of

deficiencies – like VitB6, folic acid, B12, selenium, Vit D, Vit E.

I am really puzzled – so does that mean I will never be able to upload him

with all the supps that he needs?

Any input would be hugely appreciated.

REgards,

Emily

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6d. Re: HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 1:01 pm ((PST))

Just to share a bit about the natural way our bodies work.

Vitamins by nature are synthesized in the intestines by the microorganisms that, in a healthy gut, create them from the food we eat.

That is why in todays industrial society taking B vitamins are so stimulating.  Most people in this society are so void of microorganisms it is amazing!

These microorganisms are also responsible for natural toxin chelation, protein creation, amino acid recognition, immunity and more.

That is why I use and recognize the paramount importance of these little creatures!!!

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: Jane <GreenEcoBean  cox.net>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 11:46:44 AM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] HELP – how to continue with biomed?

You could also try Nano Stess B, a highly absorbable B complex vitamin.

——-Original Message—– –

From: can2cis-y  yahoo. com

Date: 11/1/2009 11:37:23 AM

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Emily have you tried smaller does of the B vitamins?

maybe 1/4 the recommended dose when you try again?

Or after you eliminate all the supps, introduce only 1 supp per week and see

how it goes. re-introduce the Bs the last as they are energizing.

Is your sone autistic? Does he follow a sugar free, dairy free and grain

free diet?

don’t give up. hang in there.

carmen

____________ _________ _________ __

From: emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan   yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 5:27:33 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Hi Listmates,

I have been doing biomed on my son for 2 years with little progress. Biggest

problem is my son seems intolerant of most of the supps I gave and he falls

ill easily and then becomes even more intolerant of the supps. So these 2

years have been like start-stop, start-stop for me with little progress.

Just recently I started doing antifungals on him and restarting on

supplements again. But as soon as I add more supps (esp vit B’s), he starts

to show signs of distress with a lot of aggitation, temper tantrums,

spaciness, unable to focus, increased verbal stims and other stims,

unresponsive. So a week ago I decided to stop most of the supps and then he

became relaxed, happy with little stim and performing much, much better at

therapy class, no more teeth grinding.

The only supps he was on before I stopped this time round were zinc,

Magnesium citrate, Vitamin B6, P5P, Biotin, MB12 shots, Methylfolate,

various probiotics, transfer factor, taurine. A wek ago I stopped everything

except zinc, probiotics, transfer factor and antifungal medicine with

occasional charcoal – and he began to feel and perform so much better.

Despite that his OAT and other tests shows that he still has a lot of

deficiencies – like VitB6, folic acid, B12, selenium, Vit D, Vit E.

I am really puzzled – so does that mean I will never be able to upload him

with all the supps that he needs?

Any input would be hugely appreciated.

REgards,

Emily

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7a. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Posted by: “IMS” imsinfo  yahoo.com imsinfo

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 11:04 am ((PST))

I have never heard about cellulites from candida. I have light cellulites on my legs from very young age. Is that mean that I had candida from that age?

Lisa

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:

>

> DMSO is good for the skin, but I prefer to use colostrum based products for the skin.  Colostrum has a much better electrical and biological availibity and heals and feed the body.

> Cellulitis is an infection starting with the connective tissue.  All connective tissue  of the body is part of the electrical system, and candida/candida toxins are caustic nerotoxins that will eventually cause these infections.

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: mike <ikelo  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 7:33:54 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

>

>

> I am going to try using DMSO ointment with Miconazole for my candida cellulitis. I know I have to be very careful. I do not know much about DMSO. Can you put Dmso on an open ulcer? Should I put Miconazole on first then apply Dmso? I need any advice I can get. I am sure no doctor will help me with this. I cant find a doctor that treats Candida skin infections.

>

> Mike

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7b. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:38 pm ((PST))

It sure is a possible.  I was born with a severe candida over growth.  My mother had a severe over growth to the point her breast milk was so toxic it just about killed me the first week of my life.  The candida overgrowth was with me till I was 24 years old.  I can tell I have flareups when I am under stress and abuse my body and burn my candle on all ends.

Wil

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From: IMS <imsinfo  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 2:03:48 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

I have never heard about cellulites from candida. I have light cellulites on my legs from very young age. Is that mean that I had candida from that age?

Lisa

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:

>

> DMSO is good for the skin, but I prefer to use colostrum based products for the skin.  Colostrum has a much better electrical and biological availibity and heals and feed the body.

> Cellulitis is an infection starting with the connective tissue.  All connective tissue  of the body is part of the electrical system, and candida/candida toxins are caustic nerotoxins that will eventually cause these infections.

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: mike <ikelo  …>

> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 7:33:54 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

>

>

> I am going to try using DMSO ointment with Miconazole for my candida cellulitis. I know I have to be very careful. I do not know much about DMSO. Can you put Dmso on an open ulcer? Should I put Miconazole on first then apply Dmso? I need any advice I can get. I am sure no doctor will help me with this. I cant find a doctor that treats Candida skin infections.

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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7c. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 5:02 pm ((PST))

Just to put a point on it, you stated you have not been able to cure your own candida, Wil. Are you still low carbing?

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:

>

> It sure is a possible.  I was born with a severe candida over growth.  My mother had a severe over growth to the point her breast milk was so toxic it just about killed me the first week of my life.  The candida overgrowth was with me till I was 24 years old.  I can tell I have flareups when I am under stress and abuse my body and burn my candle on all ends.

>

> Wil

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: IMS <imsinfo  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 2:03:48 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

>

>

>

> I have never heard about cellulites from candida. I have light cellulites on my legs from very young age. Is that mean that I had candida from that age?

> Lisa

> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:

> >

> > DMSO is good for the skin, but I prefer to use colostrum based products for the skin.  Colostrum has a much better electrical and biological availibity and heals and feed the body.

> > Cellulitis is an infection starting with the connective tissue.  All connective tissue  of the body is part of the electrical system, and candida/candida toxins are caustic nerotoxins that will eventually cause these infections.

> >

> > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: mike <ikelo  >

> > To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> > Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 7:33:54 PM

> > Subject: [candidiasis] I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

> >

> >

> > I am going to try using DMSO ointment with Miconazole for my candida cellulitis. I know I have to be very careful. I do not know much about DMSO. Can you put Dmso on an open ulcer? Should I put Miconazole on first then apply Dmso? I need any advice I can get. I am sure no doctor will help me with this. I cant find a doctor that treats Candida skin infections.

> >

> > Mike

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8a. Re: Haital Hernia

Posted by: “IMS” imsinfo  yahoo.com imsinfo

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 11:04 am ((PST))

Wat is that mean? Gluten reaction?

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:

>

> Sound like you have what I call “Grain Toxicity”!

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: IMS <imsinfo  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 11:50:33 AM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Haital Hernia

>

>

> I would like to ask if people in this group have haital hernia?

> I had one in the past and now it is gone but still have reflux.

> I have red hernicould be result of gluten intolerance but it may be also from inflammation from candida or high esonophylls count  in gut.

>

> Lisa

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8b. Re: Haital Hernia

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:46 pm ((PST))

That means our bodies are not designed by nature to ingest grain, dry ground grain or any form of dry ground grain.  The WHO (world health organization) has stated this in there documents, Weston Price Foundation, a book”Electrical Nutrition” and “Fibermenace”, Saul Liss PhD and several other are saying the same thing.  I have been trying to disprove this in my clinic for over 8 years and we are created in a way by nature and nature has a few rules.

When we ingest grain, we cause an acid state in our body.  I will be glad to explain more but for now this is all.

Wil Spencer

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From: IMS <imsinfo  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 2:00:40 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Haital Hernia

Wat is that mean? Gluten reaction?

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:

>

> Sound like you have what I call “Grain Toxicity”!

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: IMS <imsinfo  … >

> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 11:50:33 AM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Haital Hernia

>

>

> I would like to ask if people in this group have haital hernia?

> I had one in the past and now it is gone but still have reflux.

> I have red hernicould be result of gluten intolerance but it may be also from inflammation from candida or high esonophylls count  in gut.

>

> Lisa

>

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9a. Re: yeast in blood

Posted by: “Michael Forrest” a57ngel  yahoo.com a57ngel

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 11:48 am ((PST))

A doctor who looked at my blood told me that half the people he sees have yeast in their blood. very common.

>Dan dr. showed us what was supposed to be yeast in my son’s blood smear.

Every pediatrician that I have been to in our town just doesn’t believe me. They all say he would have to be a very sick AIDS patient and then I read a blog by a guy who does live blood cell analysis and he said that a person would have to be on life support to have yeast in blood! So which is it. A yeast site showed a slide with yeast in it. I am not questioning my son’s DAN dr. as he has helped my son so much, but I would love some more info so I can call the pediatrician out on this. I just feel uniformed and not prepared to have this battle. Does anyone have any info to help me. I am tired of dealing with these Dr.s in town, but my son’s DAN dr. is in another state so I have to rely on local Dr.s too.

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9b. Re: yeast in blood

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:34 pm ((PST))

It may be very common today, but that does not make it correct.

Candida is one of the 700+ microorganisms in our digestive tract by nature.  It is not correct for candida to be in the blood.  If candida is in the blood it is a sign of an  systemic overgrowth and that is not by nature, it is a sign of a massive gut imbalance!

Wil Spencer

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From: Michael Forrest <a57ngel  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 2:48:39 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: yeast in blood

A doctor who looked at my blood told me that half the people he sees have yeast in their blood. very common.

>Dan dr. showed us what was supposed to be yeast in my son’s blood smear.

Every pediatrician that I have been to in our town just doesn’t believe me. They all say he would have to be a very sick AIDS patient and then I read a blog by a guy who does live blood cell analysis and he said that a person would have to be on life support to have yeast in blood! So which is it. A yeast site showed a slide with yeast in it. I am not questioning my son’s DAN dr. as he has helped my son so much, but I would love some more info so I can call the pediatrician out on this. I just feel uniformed and not prepared to have this battle. Does anyone have any info to help me. I am tired of dealing with these Dr.s in town, but my son’s DAN dr. is in another state so I have to rely on local Dr.s too.

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10a. Re: GR8-Dophilus

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 4:03 pm ((PST))

Wil, I’m unaware of evidence that emotional stress wipes out huge amounts of bacteria and I would like the references. If it were true we could use strees as a cure! I’m also reluctant to accept that large amounts of adrenaline are released in the gut, at least in anywhere near the amounts that could change the contents of fecal slurry. Where did you get that tidbit? Couldn’t find anything in peer-review there either.

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:

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> I have to say Duncan, your mathematics and fecal slurry talk is neat.  You have not taken into account from any emotional stress which can wipe out huge amounts of bacterium in a matter of minutes.  Just having fear or worry is enough to send enough adrenaline into the gut to cause this kind of imbalance.

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> This is why I have to look at health from a Wholistic view.  This is what the new science is telling us, we are part of nature.

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> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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> From: DuncanC <duncancrow  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 11:12:41 AM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: GR8-Dophilus

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> Douglas, one capsule of probiotic is about the right amount of organisms to colonise about 2 CCs of fecal slurry if the ecology is about 50% out. They will still have to be fed in order to adhere to the gut lining and maintain the bowel population even though it’s being evacuated.

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> You can readily see why the dose-related effect runs you into dozens if not hundreds of caps or more than a pouch of VSL#3 per day. Using VSL#3 that as a guide, the 450 billion organisms in a single dose would be contained in about 100-150 capsules.

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> So, a probiotic of 20 capsules per dose seems low-end even as a starter culture.

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> By feeding the culture a few spoonfuls of prebiotic you can grow the balance of the organisms you need in a day.

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> > Hi, I just bought my GR8-Dophilus. It says to take  1 with or before a meal. Also it says take 1-3 a day. With the Jarradophilus that I took before I always took 2 at a time 30 minutes before a meal and sometimes just the one time in the morning.Should I not take the GR8 30 minutes before a meal and by itself? Also would one in the morning before breakfast be enough? Thanks Doug

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10b. Re: GR8-Dophilus

Posted by: “NieeMA” nieema0  yahoo.com nieema0

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 6:14 pm ((PST))

Fear and  adrenaline are sooo in large amounts in slaughtered meat that for years people advised people to raise and butcher their own beef to keep  adrenaline out of the meat.

Just being away from the smell of death made such a difference in the meat.  I know this first hand from the meats I eat in the Nederlands.  The proof of the difference in meat with  adrenaline and meat without was so big…I told the whole group about it in 2003.

It also had a profound effect on my bowls also.

Stress produces the hormone cortisol right!  Cortisol would be a perfect hormone to wipe out god things in the gut…cortisol has been know to do that.

I think that is in the medical journals.

— On Sun, 11/1/09, DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca> wrote:

From: DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca>

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: GR8-Dophilus

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 6:03 PM

Wil, I’m unaware of evidence that emotional stress wipes out huge amounts of bacteria and I would like the references. If it were true we could use strees as a cure! I’m also reluctant to accept that large amounts of adrenaline are released in the gut, at least in anywhere near the amounts that could change the contents of fecal slurry. Where did you get that tidbit? Couldn’t find anything in peer-review there either.

Duncan

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:

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> I have to say Duncan, your mathematics and fecal slurry talk is neat.  You have not taken into account from any emotional stress which can wipe out huge amounts of bacterium in a matter of minutes.  Just having fear or worry is enough to send enough adrenaline into the gut to cause this kind of imbalance.

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> This is why I have to look at health from a Wholistic view.  This is what the new science is telling us, we are part of nature.

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> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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> From: DuncanC <duncancrow   …>

> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 11:12:41 AM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: GR8-Dophilus

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> Douglas, one capsule of probiotic is about the right amount of organisms to colonise about 2 CCs of fecal slurry if the ecology is about 50% out. They will still have to be fed in order to adhere to the gut lining and maintain the bowel population even though it’s being evacuated.

>

> You can readily see why the dose-related effect runs you into dozens if not hundreds of caps or more than a pouch of VSL#3 per day. Using VSL#3 that as a guide, the 450 billion organisms in a single dose would be contained in about 100-150 capsules.

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> So, a probiotic of 20 capsules per dose seems low-end even as a starter culture.

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> By feeding the culture a few spoonfuls of prebiotic you can grow the balance of the organisms you need in a day.

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> > Hi, I just bought my GR8-Dophilus. It says to take  1 with or before a meal. Also it says take 1-3 a day. With the Jarradophilus that I took before I always took 2 at a time 30 minutes before a meal and sometimes just the one time in the morning.Should I not take the GR8 30 minutes before a meal and by itself? Also would one in the morning before breakfast be enough? Thanks Doug

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11. Adrenaline – new function for stress hormone

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 4:11 pm ((PST))

I looked up adrenaline and gut bacteria and found that it actually enhances host defences:

Adrenaline – new function for stress hormone

The successful interaction of bacterial pathogens with host tissues requires the sensing of specific chemical and physical cues. Adrenaline and noradrenaline have recently been shown to act synergistically with a bacterial quorum sensing molecule to affect virulence and motility in Escherichia coli. Does the same happen in Salmonella?

Arthur Thompson and Jay Hinton have combined forces with scientists at the Universities of Newcastle, Lancaster and Nottingham to investigate whether adrenaline has an impact on the biology of Salmonella spp. The research team found that Salmonella are able to sense adrenaline, which may provide an environmental cue for the induction of the Salmonella stress response in anticipation of imminent, host-derived oxidative stress. They point out that adrenaline may also enhance host defences by lowering the antimicrobial peptide resistance of the bacteria; this is the first time such a function has been described for a mammalian hormone.

Further reading: Karavolos, M. H. et al. (2008) Adrenaline modulates the global transcriptional profile of Salmonella revealing a role in the antimicrobial peptide and oxidative stress resistance responses. BMC Genomics at www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/9/458

Funding: Medical Research Council; BBSRC grant; BBSRC Core Strategic Grant; BBSRC DTA PhD studentship

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There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

From: Wil Spencer

2a. Re: Does Greg have SIBO?

From: Wil Spencer

3a. Re: Green tea

From: Wil Spencer

4a. Re: Die off tiredness

From: Wil Spencer

5a. Re: Florastar vs VSL#3

From: healthyhopeful

5b. Re: Florastar vs VSL#3

From: Patterson, Jennifer

6a. Re: Cocunut oil

From: jlkinkona

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1a. Re: I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:34 pm ((PDT))

DMSO is good for the skin, but I prefer to use colostrum based products for the skin.  Colostrum has a much better electrical and biological availibity and heals and feed the body.

Cellulitis is an infection starting with the connective tissue.  All connective tissue  of the body is part of the electrical system, and candida/candida toxins are caustic nerotoxins that will eventually cause these infections.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: mike <ikelo  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 7:33:54 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

I am going to try using DMSO ointment with Miconazole for my candida cellulitis. I know I have to be very careful. I do not know much about DMSO. Can you put Dmso on an open ulcer? Should I put Miconazole on first then apply Dmso? I need any advice I can get. I am sure no doctor will help me with this. I cant find a doctor that treats Candida skin infections.

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2a. Re: Does Greg have SIBO?

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:42 pm ((PDT))

Who in their right mind was giving you this kind of advise?

Sure sounds like your core health and essence is drained and deficient.  I never recommend just taking MMS with out feeding the body something to build the core health while cleaning.

Wil

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From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 3:17:16 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Does Greg have SIBO?

did the mms thing for like 2 months a few years back.  Pushed myself so hard on it I was having a lot of diarrhea.  Feel like it left me drained and deficient.  In fact, it was after that that I feel like I haven’t gone a day without dark circles under my eyes.  Or I dunno, my experience with it just was not good, anything that smells the least bit chloriney anymore makes me gag.

greg

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, can2cis-y  .. . wrote:

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> Greg,

> why do you need antibiotic?  do you have a life threatening infection? antibiotics will help your candida overgrow.

> look into MMS and see if it resonates with you.

> it might take several days of reading about it before you know…

> http://www.miraclem ineralstories. com/

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> take care,

> carmen

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> From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother   …>

> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 1:59:05 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Does Greg have SIBO?

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> Well I just meant trying another antibiotic in general would be hard because finding a doc to perscribe it is hard.

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> greg

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> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “Bonnie Cole” <bonnieview   …> wrote:

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> > Greg, maybe the Antibiotic NEEDS to be a different one?

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> > Bonnie

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> >  _____

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> > From: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com [mailto:candidiasis    yahoogroups. com] On

> > Behalf Of dreaminginnoother

> > Sent: October 23, 2009 2:40 AM

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> > Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Does Greg have SIBO?

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> > yeah, it came up negative, but my doc gave me a 10 day round of xifaxan. I

> > don’t really remember what happened when I took it, but it must have not

> > been very significant, as everything pretty much stayed the same.

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> > — In candidiasis   <mailto:candidiasis %40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com,

> > “Bonnie Cole” <bonnieview   > wrote:

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> > > Did you say previously that you had a Hydrogen Breath Test and it didn’t

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> > > Not all tests are accurate and so I’m wondering if you’re still having gut

> > > problems after eating SIMPLE SUGARS, you should ask your doctor for an

> > > Antibiotic like HUMATIN.

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3a. Re: Green tea

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:45 pm ((PDT))

There are several kinds of green tea.  I would think it is the sweetener that is the problem.

Wil

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From: guitarnola <guitarnola  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 11:29:48 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Green tea

I have read conflicting reports.  Is green tea OK on a candida diet?

Thanks

Lauren

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4a. Re: Die off tiredness

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:48 pm ((PDT))

Good point NieeMa!  Sprouts are simple protein.  We get our life force from these proteins.

Wil

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From: NieeMA <nieema0  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 11:22:18 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Die off tiredness

The whole point being that we need food that has the right “charge to it “!!!

When we eat dead food, we are not getting the life force needed!

Sprouting is one answer on how to get live food in!!!!  It loves my body these sprouts…and it is live food.

You can sprout just about anything that is a seed!!!

Do it yourself…not store bought!

Check it out folks!

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:

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> There is a very large misconception about this coconut oil theory for candida overgrowth.  In my clinical experience, the use of any vegetable oil and that includes soya, canola, sunflower, flax seed, grape seed, etc. is very detrimental.  The use of these oils are not electrically or biologically healthy, in my opinion.

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> From: dglsrichey <dglsrichey   …>

> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 3:20:26 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

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> I am discouraged by this die off tiredness. I am taking a tablespoon of coc. oil twice daily. That does not seem to help. Should I add anything else? Is Oil of Oregano helpful with die off? I have heard of using molydenum but would not know if that helped the tiredness, nor how to combine that with the coc. oil. Thanks Doug

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5a. Re: Florastar vs VSL#3

Posted by: “healthyhopeful” akaiyuhi2000  yahoo.com healthyhopeful

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:31 pm ((PDT))

I take VSL #3. It helps. I noticed my digestion improved with it. The doc told me to take it in water; however, I couldn’t stand the taste. I like it in plain yogurt – I can’t even taste it that way. Jen

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Patterson, Jennifer” <kenstar  …> wrote:

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> Hi,

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> My doctor recommended taking Florastar to me today.  I read the box

> and it does contain lactose.  So I wonder if dairy free probiotics are

> a better choice.

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> I have heard discussions about saccharomyces boulardii.  If memory

> serves, this bacteria has caused some people problems?  Would that be

> right?

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5b. Re: Florastar vs VSL#3

Posted by: “Patterson, Jennifer” kenstar  cogeco.ca jpatterson113

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:40 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Jen

Jennifer

On 1-Nov-09, at 12:23 AM, healthyhopeful wrote:

> I take VSL #3. It helps. I noticed my digestion improved with it.

> The doc told me to take it in water; however, I couldn’t stand the

> taste. I like it in plain yogurt – I can’t even taste it that way. Jen

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> — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Patterson, Jennifer”

> <kenstar  …> wrote:

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> > My doctor recommended taking Florastar to me today. I read the box

> > and it does contain lactose. So I wonder if dairy free probiotics

> are

> > a better choice.

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> > I have heard discussions about saccharomyces boulardii. If memory

> > serves, this bacteria has caused some people problems? Would that be

> > right?

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6a. Re: Cocunut oil

Posted by: “jlkinkona” josephine  poidogs.com jlkinkona

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:31 pm ((PDT))

I notice that when people are taking prescription drugs then add a natural alternative, they will tend to blame the natural alternative for their problems when in fact it could be due to the toxic drugs they are taking. Josephine

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:

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> Where in the world does this anger and die-off crap come from?

> In my clinical experience the anger and rage are products of a severe imbalance in the electrical and/or biological systems.  Which could be a toxin build up, but this is still an imbalance, not a die-off of a candida over growth.

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Nystatin for Oral Suspension Price?

From: margretdzn  aol.com

1b. Re: Nystatin for Oral Suspension Price?

From: Wil Spencer

2a. coconut milk, oil or water…….?

From: margretdzn

2b. Re: coconut milk, oil or water…….?

From: Bonnie Cole

2c. Re: coconut milk, oil or water…….?

From: Wil Spencer

3a. Re: Haital Hernia

From: Bonnie Cole

3b. Re: Haital Hernia

From: Wil Spencer

3c. Re: Haital Hernia

From: Wil Spencer

4a. Die off tiredness

From: dglsrichey

4b. Re: Die off tiredness

From: Wil Spencer

4c. Re: Die off tiredness

From: douglas richey

4d. Re: Die off tiredness

From: douglas richey

4e. Re: Die off tiredness

From: Wil Spencer

4f. Re: Die off tiredness

From: Keycross

4g. Re: Die off tiredness

From: NieeMA

5a. Re: Anger, Acceptance and Coconut Oil?!

From: Wil Spencer

6a. Re: GR8-Dophilus

From: Wil Spencer

7a. Re: Garlic AND probiotics…

From: Wil Spencer

8a. Re: my experience with inulin

From: Wil Spencer

9a. Re: Cocunut oil

From: Wil Spencer

10a. Green tea

From: guitarnola

10b. Green tea

From: guitarnola

11. yeast in blood?

From: sandi

12a. Re: I linknteresting

From: Wil Spencer

13a. Re: PANDAS/ strep question

From: Wil Spencer

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1a. Nystatin for Oral Suspension Price?

Posted by: “margretdzn  aol.com” margretdzn  aol.com margretdzn

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:28 am ((PDT))

I’ve used it in the past and I get a full bottle (don’t have  it in front

of me), but I think it’s about 60 pills or so, for less than  $40.00, maybe

$20-30….

sorry couldn’t be more specific, but you get the idea, it’s  not

expensive….

Blessings, Margaret

“We are not held back by the love we didn’t receive in the  past, but by

the love we’re not extending in the present.”

—Marianne  Williamson

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1b. Re: Nystatin for Oral Suspension Price?

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:18 pm ((PDT))

This is very typical of the medical industry!  If you buy into it they will gladly take your money and smile at you as you hand it over.  I have heard of antifungals costing alot more than that.  The choice is yours.

Thrush is very simple to get rid of when you know what it is.  It is a gut imbalance.  I have written about it in a book “Candida-The Underlying Cause of the Unconscious Conspiracy Against Our Health”.  You can view and download it from my web site www.environotics.com

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: psychomutts <alukasick  sbcglobal.net>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 5:46:00 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Nystatin for Oral Suspension Price?

Hi. My MD prescribed a month’s worth of Nystatin to treat a bad case of oral thrush, but the price seems to be ridiculously high – over $300 to fill the prescription at Walgreens (and yes, it’s generic made by Paddock Labs).

Nystatin USP, 50 MMU (10 gm) — 1 bottle is over $30, and apparently it will take 10 bottles to fill the prescription.

Does this seem right?

I’ve been through the posts and read that people have been on Nystatin for months, even up to a year. How can anyone afford it?

Thanks.

Aimee

Milwaukee, WI

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2a. coconut milk, oil or water…….?

Posted by: “margretdzn” margretdzn  aol.com margretdzn

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:29 am ((PDT))

Does anyone know anything about, or have any experience with using coconut milk, oil or water for bouts of diviticulitis or intestinal/colon distress….???

Blessings, Margaret

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2b. Re: coconut milk, oil or water…….?

Posted by: “Bonnie Cole” bonnieview  sympatico.ca anunnakica

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:44 am ((PDT))

Margaret: Coconut water has a lot of sugar, so I wouldn’t want to use that,

sometimes Coconut Milk does too but the Oil would be free of sugar and

healing.            Bonnie

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Behalf Of margretdzn

Sent: October 31, 2009 10:25 AM

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Subject: [candidiasis] coconut milk, oil or water…….?

Does anyone know anything about, or have any experience with using coconut

milk, oil or water for bouts of diviticulitis or intestinal/colon

distress….???

Blessings, Margaret

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2c. Re: coconut milk, oil or water…….?

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:53 pm ((PDT))

Yes, you may get things moving toward the exit, but long term use is detrimental in my opinion.

Wil Spencer

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To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:25:06 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] coconut milk, oil or water…….?

Does anyone know anything about, or have any experience with using coconut milk, oil or water for bouts of diviticulitis or intestinal/colon distress…. ???

Blessings, Margaret

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3a. Re: Haital Hernia

Posted by: “Bonnie Cole” bonnieview  sympatico.ca anunnakica

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:13 am ((PDT))

I have a SMALL SLIDING HIATAL HERNIA but I have no symptoms from it, that I

know of. But I do have Celiac and inflammation from Candida.

Bonnie

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Subject: [candidiasis] Haital Hernia

I would like to ask if people in this group have haital hernia?

I had one in the past and now it is gone but still have reflux.

I have red hernicould be result of gluten intolerance but it may be also

from inflammation from candida or high esonophylls count in gut.

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3b. Re: Haital Hernia

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:38 pm ((PDT))

Just by your brief statement it is hard to tell what is actually going on.

A hiatal hernia is a result of a trauma to the diaphram in either an emotional or physical fashion.  Simply being in a state of fear can cause the diaphram to tighten up and pull the stomach and esophogus out of place causing the stomach acids and other gut juices to go out of balance causing the celiac and inflammation you talk about.

When the stomach and/or small intestine electrical curcuit is out that can be enough trauma to cause the diaphram trauma and tighten up.  There are several other examples, but hopefully you get the idea.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview  sympatico.ca>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 2:12:26 PM

Subject: RE: [candidiasis] Haital Hernia

I have a SMALL SLIDING HIATAL HERNIA but I have no symptoms from it, that I

know of. But I do have Celiac and inflammation from Candida.

Bonnie

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Subject: [candidiasis] Haital Hernia

I would like to ask if people in this group have haital hernia?

I had one in the past and now it is gone but still have reflux.

I have red hernicould be result of gluten intolerance but it may be also

from inflammation from candida or high esonophylls count in gut.

Lisa

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3c. Re: Haital Hernia

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:21 pm ((PDT))

Sound like you have what I call “Grain Toxicity”!

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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Subject: [candidiasis] Haital Hernia

I would like to ask if people in this group have haital hernia?

I had one in the past and now it is gone but still have reflux.

I have red hernicould be result of gluten intolerance but it may be also from inflammation from candida or high esonophylls count  in gut.

Lisa

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4a. Die off tiredness

Posted by: “dglsrichey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:21 pm ((PDT))

I am discouraged by this die off tiredness. I am taking a tablespoon of coc. oil twice daily. That does not seem to help. Should I add anything else? Is Oil of Oregano helpful with die off? I have heard of using molydenum but would not know if that helped the tiredness, nor how to combine that with the coc. oil. Thanks Doug

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4b. Re: Die off tiredness

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:59 pm ((PDT))

There is a very large misconception about this coconut oil theory for candida overgrowth.  In my clinical experience, the use of any vegetable oil and that includes soya, canola, sunflower, flax seed, grape seed, etc. is very detrimental.  The use of these oils are not electrically or biologically healthy, in my opinion.

To answer your question regarding tiredness,  your life force comes from your food and when you are unable to receive the life force you get tired or the toxins get built up and you get tired.  So in my clinical experience you need to get rid of the toxins and tend to the health of the digestive tract.  In the digestive tract we house over 700 different microorganisms.  The job of these microorganisms are to convert the life force from the food to us.  Using vegetable oils in the diet causes the microorganisms to be unable to do their job and actually cause toxins to be built up in the body.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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Subject: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

I am discouraged by this die off tiredness. I am taking a tablespoon of coc. oil twice daily. That does not seem to help. Should I add anything else? Is Oil of Oregano helpful with die off? I have heard of using molydenum but would not know if that helped the tiredness, nor how to combine that with the coc. oil. Thanks Doug

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4c. Re: Die off tiredness

Posted by: “douglas richey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:14 pm ((PDT))

Wil, thank you for responding. Reading your beliefs I cannot agree with that. I have used oils for years without this tiredness. This tiredness is related to my 8 day(so far) of taking Yeast Max and experiencing the die off which is definitely a new tiredness in my life. You may have healthier paths in your philosophy but it does not make sense to me. Doug

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From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer  rocketmail.com>

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 7:59 PM

There is a very large misconception about this coconut oil theory for candida overgrowth.  In my clinical experience, the use of any vegetable oil and that includes soya, canola, sunflower, flax seed, grape seed, etc. is very detrimental.  The use of these oils are not electrically or biologically healthy, in my opinion.

To answer your question regarding tiredness,  your life force comes from your food and when you are unable to receive the life force you get tired or the toxins get built up and you get tired.  So in my clinical experience you need to get rid of the toxins and tend to the health of the digestive tract.  In the digestive tract we house over 700 different microorganisms.  The job of these microorganisms are to convert the life force from the food to us.  Using vegetable oils in the diet causes the microorganisms to be unable to do their job and actually cause toxins to be built up in the body.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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Subject: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

I am discouraged by this die off tiredness. I am taking a tablespoon of coc. oil twice daily. That does not seem to help. Should I add anything else? Is Oil of Oregano helpful with die off? I have heard of using molydenum but would not know if that helped the tiredness, nor how to combine that with the coc. oil. Thanks Doug

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4d. Re: Die off tiredness

Posted by: “douglas richey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:19 pm ((PDT))

Wil, I missed the second point, and yes the tiredness may be due to toxins I am not getting rid of, I am slack on detoxing and with your reminding me I will get back to that. Thanks Doug

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From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer  rocketmail.com>

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 7:59 PM

There is a very large misconception about this coconut oil theory for candida overgrowth.  In my clinical experience, the use of any vegetable oil and that includes soya, canola, sunflower, flax seed, grape seed, etc. is very detrimental.  The use of these oils are not electrically or biologically healthy, in my opinion.

To answer your question regarding tiredness,  your life force comes from your food and when you are unable to receive the life force you get tired or the toxins get built up and you get tired.  So in my clinical experience you need to get rid of the toxins and tend to the health of the digestive tract.  In the digestive tract we house over 700 different microorganisms.  The job of these microorganisms are to convert the life force from the food to us.  Using vegetable oils in the diet causes the microorganisms to be unable to do their job and actually cause toxins to be built up in the body.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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Subject: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

I am discouraged by this die off tiredness. I am taking a tablespoon of coc. oil twice daily. That does not seem to help. Should I add anything else? Is Oil of Oregano helpful with die off? I have heard of using molydenum but would not know if that helped the tiredness, nor how to combine that with the coc. oil. Thanks Doug

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4e. Re: Die off tiredness

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:51 pm ((PDT))

I have seen the use of veggie oils take years to crawl up to the point of fatique.  I have never seen in my clinic a die-off of tiredness like you are talking about.  A die-off of alot of other feelings and sensations tho.

Knowing what YeastMax is and does, you may want to know somethings.  When one takes these new fancy detox and cleaners with out the core life force with in them you strip even more life force from you along with what ever you are purging from the body.  If you are getting fatiqued from a product like YeastMax I would venture to say your core essence is quite diminished already and it would pay, in my opinion, you may be better off to be feeding your essence more instead of detox.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: douglas richey <dglsrichey  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

Wil, thank you for responding. Reading your beliefs I cannot agree with that. I have used oils for years without this tiredness. This tiredness is related to my 8 day(so far) of taking Yeast Max and experiencing the die off which is definitely a new tiredness in my life. You may have healthier paths in your philosophy but it does not make sense to me. Doug

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From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer  rocketma il.com>

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 7:59 PM

There is a very large misconception about this coconut oil theory for candida overgrowth.  In my clinical experience, the use of any vegetable oil and that includes soya, canola, sunflower, flax seed, grape seed, etc. is very detrimental.  The use of these oils are not electrically or biologically healthy, in my opinion.

To answer your question regarding tiredness,  your life force comes from your food and when you are unable to receive the life force you get tired or the toxins get built up and you get tired.  So in my clinical experience you need to get rid of the toxins and tend to the health of the digestive tract.  In the digestive tract we house over 700 different microorganisms.  The job of these microorganisms are to convert the life force from the food to us.  Using vegetable oils in the diet causes the microorganisms to be unable to do their job and actually cause toxins to be built up in the body.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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Subject: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

I am discouraged by this die off tiredness. I am taking a tablespoon of coc. oil twice daily. That does not seem to help. Should I add anything else? Is Oil of Oregano helpful with die off? I have heard of using molydenum but would not know if that helped the tiredness, nor how to combine that with the coc. oil. Thanks Doug

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4f. Re: Die off tiredness

Posted by: “Keycross” crossshapedkeys  verizon.net keycross

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:12 pm ((PDT))

I am sure others would have backup clinical evidence, reports, etc. Other than your clinical experience where is the overwhelming evidence that coconut oil is detrimental, and you didn’t mention olive oil but I guess that is taboo also.  P.S. for those who do not have a Candida overgrowth are these taboo oils ok???

Keycross

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From: Wil Spencer

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:59 PM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

There is a very large misconception about this coconut oil theory for candida overgrowth. In my clinical experience, the use of any vegetable oil and that includes soya, canola, sunflower, flax seed, grape seed, etc. is very detrimental. The use of these oils are not electrically or biologically healthy, in my opinion.

To answer your question regarding tiredness, your life force comes from your food and when you are unable to receive the life force you get tired or the toxins get built up and you get tired. So in my clinical experience you need to get rid of the toxins and tend to the health of the digestive tract. In the digestive tract we house over 700 different microorganisms. The job of these microorganisms are to convert the life force from the food to us. Using vegetable oils in the diet causes the microorganisms to be unable to do their job and actually cause toxins to be built up in the body.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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Subject: [candidiasis] Die off tiredness

I am discouraged by this die off tiredness. I am taking a tablespoon of coc. oil twice daily. That does not seem to help. Should I add anything else? Is Oil of Oregano helpful with die off? I have heard of using molydenum but would not know if that helped the tiredness, nor how to combine that with the coc. oil. Thanks Doug

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4g. Re: Die off tiredness

Posted by: “NieeMA” nieema0  yahoo.com nieema0

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:22 pm ((PDT))

The whole point being that we need food that has the right “charge to it “!!!

When we eat dead food, we are not getting the life force needed!

Sprouting is one answer on how to get live food in!!!!  It loves my body these sprouts…and it is live food.

You can sprout just about anything that is a seed!!!

Do it yourself…not store bought!

Check it out folks!

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> There is a very large misconception about this coconut oil theory for candida overgrowth.  In my clinical experience, the use of any vegetable oil and that includes soya, canola, sunflower, flax seed, grape seed, etc. is very detrimental.  The use of these oils are not electrically or biologically healthy, in my opinion.

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> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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5a. Re: Anger, Acceptance and Coconut Oil?!

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:26 pm ((PDT))

I sure can sympathize with you.  Most of my clients that have come to my clinic are in your boat.  You can read some of the testimonies on my web site www.mbsre-set.com.  I have had so many clients with their suicide planned out and everything, and today the ones who choose a different path are still alive to tell of it.  Like the testimony of Lynn from my web site.  I will let it talk for herself.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: a_lorraine <alisonlorraine  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 11:42:24 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Anger, Acceptance and Coconut Oil?!

I can honestly say that I’ve had a lot of anger regarding my health (and resulting financial) situation.  The two are inextricably intertwined as we damn well know.  Especially in the United States where anything medical and long-term can easily bankrupt you, along with the attitude that “it’s YOUR fault”.

When I suddenly became allergic to 30 different foods, I started to fear what was on my plate.  Anger and frustration were among my reactions.  Sitting down to a meal became a stressful event, one which I had to repeat several times per day, since not eating was not an option.  So my frustrated, reactive state was constant and daily, and not easy to deal with.  Never mind the clueless attitude of “medical professionals” , none of whom seemed to have a clue.

Eventually, I was being told that I was “crazy”, “anorexic” and/or “mentally ill” at a time when I was very physically ill and had no idea what the hell was going on.  I was spending gobs of money, overdrawing every source of funds that I had chasing these horrific symptoms that no one could explain.  This went on for several years; I lost everything I had worked for, credit and all down the toilet.

Yeah, that made me angry.  DUH!  Why anyone would be surprised at this really blows my mind.

In my case, I can’t attribute my anger level to coconut oil–I do notice increased agitation after too much dairy–but not coconut oil.  But I did notice that my level of anger went down after I ACCEPTED it as my own, acted on it, and stopped allowing others–who’ ve never had candidiasis or the resulting financial nightmare that goes with it–to trivialize my situation.

Onward,

Alison

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6a. Re: GR8-Dophilus

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:32 pm ((PDT))

I have to say Duncan, your mathematics and fecal slurry talk is neat.  You have not taken into account from any emotional stress which can wipe out huge amounts of bacterium in a matter of minutes.  Just having fear or worry is enough to send enough adrenaline into the gut to cause this kind of imbalance.

This is why I have to look at health from a Wholistic view.  This is what the new science is telling us, we are part of nature.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 11:12:41 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: GR8-Dophilus

Douglas, one capsule of probiotic is about the right amount of organisms to colonise about 2 CCs of fecal slurry if the ecology is about 50% out. They will still have to be fed in order to adhere to the gut lining and maintain the bowel population even though it’s being evacuated.

You can readily see why the dose-related effect runs you into dozens if not hundreds of caps or more than a pouch of VSL#3 per day. Using VSL#3 that as a guide, the 450 billion organisms in a single dose would be contained in about 100-150 capsules.

So, a probiotic of 20 capsules per dose seems low-end even as a starter culture.

By feeding the culture a few spoonfuls of prebiotic you can grow the balance of the organisms you need in a day.

all good,

Duncan

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> Hi, I just bought my GR8-Dophilus. It says to take  1 with or before a meal. Also it says take 1-3 a day. With the Jarradophilus that I took before I always took 2 at a time 30 minutes before a meal and sometimes just the one time in the morning.Should I not take the GR8 30 minutes before a meal and by itself? Also would one in the morning before breakfast be enough? Thanks Doug

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7a. Re: Garlic AND probiotics…

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:43 pm ((PDT))

Garlic in a whole food form is not detrimental to gut bacterium.  Just remember in the gut is all about balance.

Wil

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From: “Paspenc5  cs.com” <Paspenc5  cs.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 11:48:34 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Garlic AND probiotics…

We’re encouraged to take both garlic and probiotics to combat candida

problems.  But since garlic has antibiotic properties, doesn’t it kill off these

very expensive probiotics were taking if we take them at the same time, or

even on the same day?

What’s the point of taking good bacteria if we’re going to kill it off with

garlic?

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8a. Re: my experience with inulin

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:50 pm ((PDT))

Gas and flatulance is a by-product of improper fermentation or a bacteria imbalance.  If you are using inulin and still having gas you need to look at a change up on the supplements or something.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: “toddroberts2001  aol.com” <toddroberts2001  aol.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 9:39:02 AM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] my experience with inulin

In a message dated 10/29/2009 4:34:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

deltabeats_71   yahoo.com writes:

although I’m still able to tolerate Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once

again causing massive gas problems. It has been several months of religiously

taking 3 heaped teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a

problem.  Though I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is doing still

causing so  much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read that

after a  couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys should be

winning the  intestinal battle. With the gas I still produce, it’s obvious the

favorable  bacteria is still a long way off…

Any suggestions, ideas,  thoughts?

Paul in Japan

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Try adding a small amount of Virgin Coconut Oil to your diet daily to

see if it might help. Try adding maybe 2 or 3 teaspoonfuls a day

of Virgin coconut oil to your diet. When I tried it the gas and  bloating

started to cease almost immediately.

Todd R

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9a. Re: Cocunut oil

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:04 pm ((PDT))

Where in the world does this anger and die-off crap come from?

In my clinical experience the anger and rage are products of a severe imbalance in the electrical and/or biological systems.  Which could be a toxin build up, but this is still an imbalance, not a die-off of a candida over growth.

Wil Spencer

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From: “can2cis-y  yahoo.com” <can2cis-y  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 10:38:55 AM

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: Cocunut oil

I do not believe this king of anger and rage is die-off.

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To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 5:25:04 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Cocunut oil

OMG!  When I first starting taking coconut oil I felt like I was on steroids!  Felt anger almost out of control.  It was awful.  Had to cut way back and work up. A friend had the same exp.  I guess it is die off.

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10a. Green tea

Posted by: “guitarnola” guitarnola  yahoo.com guitarnola

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:11 pm ((PDT))

Is green tea acceptable on an anti-candida diet?

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10b. Green tea

Posted by: “guitarnola” guitarnola  yahoo.com guitarnola

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:13 pm ((PDT))

I have read conflicting reports.  Is green tea OK on a candida diet?

Thanks

Lauren

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11. yeast in blood?

Posted by: “sandi” srobinsoniii  yahoo.com srobinsoniii

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:12 pm ((PDT))

Dan dr. showed us what was supposed to be yeast in my son’s blood smear.

Every pediatrician that I have been to in our town just doesn’t believe me. They all say he would have to be a very sick AIDS patient and then I read a blog by a guy who does live blood cell analysis and he said that a person would have to be on life support to have yeast in blood! So which is it. A yeast site showed a slide with yeast in it. I am not questioning my son’s DAN dr. as he has helped my son so much, but I would love some more info so I can call the pediatrician out on this. I just feel uniformed and not prepared to have this battle. Does anyone have any info to help me. I am tired of dealing with these Dr.s in town, but my son’s DAN dr. is in another state so I have to rely on local Dr.s too.

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12a. Re: I linknteresting

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:16 pm ((PDT))

I have looked into this website.

In my opinion they have some good stuff to say on the protein issue, but they are leaving the microorganism link out of the picture.

Wil Spencer

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Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 10:43:43 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] I linknteresting

http://www.abctohea lth.com/17. html?sm=11778

There is a link to info that includes treatment for many problems including candida. I wonder if somebody tried such treatment.

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13a. Re: PANDAS/ strep question

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:24 pm ((PDT))

In my research, strep is a result of the small intestine missing the bacterium “bacillus latersporus BOD”.

In my clinical experience strep, staph, candida and 12 other potential pathogens can thrive and multiply when the gut is out of balance and missing essential soil borne microorganisms from the food chain.

This is one of the topics I cover in my book “Candida-The Underlying Cause of the Unconscious Conspiracy Against Our Health” which can be viewed and downloaded from www.environotics.com

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: emilynk.chan <emilynk.chan  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 8:58:54 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] PANDAS/ strep question

Can someone please help me with my son’s lab tests for PANDAS/ step:

ASOT – Positive 200IU/mL (reference range – less than 200)

Antideoxyribonuclea se – B antibodies – <50U/mL (reference range <187)

1. Does this mean my son has strep and/or PANDAS?

2. What are the treatment options?

Many thanks for any input

Regards,

Emily

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[candidiasis] Digest Number 5882

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. GR8-Dophilus

From: dglsrichey

1b. Re: GR8-Dophilus

From: DuncanC

2a. Re: my experience with inulin

From: DuncanC

2b. Re: my experience with inulin

From: toddroberts2001  aol.com

3. Anger, Acceptance and Coconut Oil?!

From: a_lorraine

4. Haital Hernia

From: IMS

5. Nystatin for Oral Suspension Price?

From: psychomutts

6. Garlic AND probiotics…

From: Paspenc5  cs.com

7. candida diet/ naturally thriving site

From: daisytiff228  aol.com

8. HELP – how to continue with biomed?

From: emilynk.chan

9a. Re: Cocunut oil

From: healthyhopeful

10. PANDAS/ strep question

From: emilynk.chan

11a. Re: What caused yours?

From: healthyhopeful

12. I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

From: mike

13a. New remedy for candida

From: IMS

13b. Re: New remedy for candida

From: douglas richey

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1a. GR8-Dophilus

Posted by: “dglsrichey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:13 am ((PDT))

Hi, I just bought my GR8-Dophilus. It says to take  1 with or before a meal. Also it says take 1-3 a day. With the Jarradophilus that I took before I always took 2 at a time 30 minutes before a meal and sometimes just the one time in the morning.Should I not take the GR8 30 minutes before a meal and by itself? Also would one in the morning before breakfast be enough? Thanks Doug

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1b. Re: GR8-Dophilus

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:12 am ((PDT))

Douglas, one capsule of probiotic is about the right amount of organisms to colonise about 2 CCs of fecal slurry if the ecology is about 50% out. They will still have to be fed in order to adhere to the gut lining and maintain the bowel population even though it’s being evacuated.

You can readily see why the dose-related effect runs you into dozens if not hundreds of caps or more than a pouch of VSL#3 per day. Using VSL#3 that as a guide, the 450 billion organisms in a single dose would be contained in about 100-150 capsules.

So, a probiotic of 20 capsules per dose seems low-end even as a starter culture.

By feeding the culture a few spoonfuls of prebiotic you can grow the balance of the organisms you need in a day.

all good,

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “dglsrichey” <dglsrichey  …> wrote:

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> Hi, I just bought my GR8-Dophilus. It says to take  1 with or before a meal. Also it says take 1-3 a day. With the Jarradophilus that I took before I always took 2 at a time 30 minutes before a meal and sometimes just the one time in the morning.Should I not take the GR8 30 minutes before a meal and by itself? Also would one in the morning before breakfast be enough? Thanks Doug

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2a. Re: my experience with inulin

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:04 am ((PDT))

Jennifer, the doctors at McGill were using VSL#3 to cure Crohn’s disease too. Both colitis and Crohn’s have a dysbiosis component similar to candidiasis. If you like you can use an alternative probiotic that contains more bifidobacteria, but the point is that a synbiotic is often used to speed up gut colonisation.

all good,

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Patterson, Jennifer” <kenstar  …> wrote:

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> I talked to the people at Ferring today.  They sell VSL #3.  They say

> that these organisms are specifically for colitis and ileac pouch.

> Does this mean that it is no good for Candida?

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> > Perhaps mixing a high-dose probiotic with the inulin will give you

> > the edge you need. VSL#3 for example uses 450 billion organisms per

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> > Duncan

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> > — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “deltabeats_71″

> > <deltabeats_71  > wrote:

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> > > I have been trying (mostly unsuccessfully) for years to

> > incorporate inulin into my regime. For the most part it has blown my

> > stomach out to the point where I feel like a hot air balloon and

> > even a sip of water would tear me apart. Finally I got a sample of

> > some Orafti inulin without any sugar at all. This also blew me up a

> > little and caused excessive gas but I stuck with it and after some

> > time was able to tolerate it. When it run out I heard about

> > Fiberrific which seemed like the next best thing. Was a ble to

> > tolerate that too and with that thought maybe this was the beginning

> > of the end of this monster that has been controlling me (knowingly)

> > for close to 10 years.

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> > > After a couple of weeks of using Fiberiffic the gas was down to

> > almost nothing and my bloating had relatively subsided (though my

> > stomach/intestinal area was far from normal). Soon after though the

> > gas started to return and although I’m still able to tolerate

> > Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once again causing massive gas

> > problems. It has been several months of religiously taking 3 heaped

> > teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a problem. Though

> > I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is d oing still causing

> > so much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read

> > that after a couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys

> > should be winning the intestinal battle. With the gas I still

> > produce, it’s obvious the favorable bacteria is still a long way

> > off…

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> > > Any suggestions, ideas, thoughts?

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> > > Paul in Japan

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2b. Re: my experience with inulin

Posted by: “toddroberts2001  aol.com” toddroberts2001  aol.com roberts50000

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:06 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/29/2009 4:34:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

deltabeats_71  yahoo.com writes:

although I’m still able to tolerate Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once

again causing massive gas problems. It has been several months of religiously

taking 3 heaped teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a

problem.  Though I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is doing still

causing so  much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read that

after a  couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys should be

winning the  intestinal battle. With the gas I still produce, it’s obvious the

favorable  bacteria is still a long way off…

Any suggestions, ideas,  thoughts?

Paul in Japan

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Try adding a small amount of Virgin Coconut Oil to your diet daily to

see if it might help. Try adding maybe 2 or 3 teaspoonfuls a day

of Virgin coconut oil to your diet. When I tried it the gas and  bloating

started to cease almost immediately.

Todd R

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3. Anger, Acceptance and Coconut Oil?!

Posted by: “a_lorraine” alisonlorraine  yahoo.com alisonlorraine

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:43 am ((PDT))

I can honestly say that I’ve had a lot of anger regarding my health (and resulting financial) situation.  The two are inextricably intertwined as we damn well know.  Especially in the United States where anything medical and long-term can easily bankrupt you, along with the attitude that “it’s YOUR fault”.

When I suddenly became allergic to 30 different foods, I started to fear what was on my plate.  Anger and frustration were among my reactions.  Sitting down to a meal became a stressful event, one which I had to repeat several times per day, since not eating was not an option.  So my frustrated, reactive state was constant and daily, and not easy to deal with.  Never mind the clueless attitude of “medical professionals”, none of whom seemed to have a clue.

Eventually, I was being told that I was “crazy”, “anorexic” and/or “mentally ill” at a time when I was very physically ill and had no idea what the hell was going on.  I was spending gobs of money, overdrawing every source of funds that I had chasing these horrific symptoms that no one could explain.  This went on for several years; I lost everything I had worked for, credit and all down the toilet.

Yeah, that made me angry.  DUH!  Why anyone would be surprised at this really blows my mind.

In my case, I can’t attribute my anger level to coconut oil–I do notice increased agitation after too much dairy–but not coconut oil.  But I did notice that my level of anger went down after I ACCEPTED it as my own, acted on it, and stopped allowing others–who’ve never had candidiasis or the resulting financial nightmare that goes with it–to trivialize my situation.

Onward,

Alison

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4. Haital Hernia

Posted by: “IMS” imsinfo  yahoo.com imsinfo

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:53 am ((PDT))

I would like to ask if people in this group have haital hernia?

I had one in the past and now it is gone but still have reflux.

I have red hernicould be result of gluten intolerance but it may be also from inflammation from candida or high esonophylls count  in gut.

Lisa

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5. Nystatin for Oral Suspension Price?

Posted by: “psychomutts” alukasick  sbcglobal.net psychomutts

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:04 pm ((PDT))

Hi. My MD prescribed a month’s worth of Nystatin to treat a bad case of oral thrush, but the price seems to be ridiculously high – over $300 to fill the prescription at Walgreens (and yes, it’s generic made by Paddock Labs).

Nystatin USP, 50 MMU (10 gm) — 1 bottle is over $30, and apparently it will take 10 bottles to fill the prescription.

Does this seem right?

I’ve been through the posts and read that people have been on Nystatin for months, even up to a year. How can anyone afford it?

Thanks.

Aimee

Milwaukee, WI

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6. Garlic AND probiotics…

Posted by: “Paspenc5  cs.com” Paspenc5  cs.com lemonade19882000

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:04 pm ((PDT))

We’re encouraged to take both garlic and probiotics to combat candida

problems.  But since garlic has antibiotic properties, doesn’t it kill off these

very expensive probiotics were taking if we take them at the same time, or

even on the same day?

What’s the point of taking good bacteria if we’re going to kill it off with

garlic?

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7. candida diet/ naturally thriving site

Posted by: “daisytiff228  aol.com” daisytiff228  aol.com litldaisytiff

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:04 pm ((PDT))

Carmen,

Thanks for the website you gave me. Very informative. Have you, or anyone

else in this site followed the candida diet, then did the antifungal

treatment,  then finished with the probiotics.

I am wondering how long you must stay on each step. i.e., how long do I

stay on the diet for before I move on to antifungals, etc?

I believe my candida trouble is coming from my amalgams (have about 12). I

am going to concentrate on getting them out first, than (possibly) chelate,

then  do the candida treatment.

thanks again everyone,

Tiffany

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8. HELP – how to continue with biomed?

Posted by: “emilynk.chan” emilynk.chan  yahoo.com emilynk.chan

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:04 pm ((PDT))

Hi Listmates,

I have been doing biomed on my son for 2 years with little progress.  Biggest problem is my son seems intolerant of most of the supps I gave and he falls ill easily and then becomes even more intolerant of the supps.  So these 2 years have been like start-stop, start-stop for me with little progress.

Just recently I started doing antifungals on him and restarting on supplements again.  But as soon as I add more supps (esp vit B’s), he starts to show signs of distress with a lot of aggitation, temper tantrums, spaciness, unable to focus, increased verbal stims and other stims, unresponsive.  So a week ago I decided to stop most of the supps and then he became relaxed, happy with little stim and performing much, much better at therapy class, no more teeth grinding.

The only supps he was on before I stopped this time round were zinc, Magnesium citrate, Vitamin B6, P5P, Biotin, MB12 shots, Methylfolate, various probiotics, transfer factor, taurine.  A wek ago I stopped everything except zinc, probiotics, transfer factor and antifungal medicine with occasional charcoal – and he began to feel and perform so much better.  Despite that his OAT and other tests shows that he still has a lot of deficiencies – like VitB6, folic acid, B12, selenium, Vit D, Vit E.

I am really puzzled – so does that mean I will never be able to upload him with all the supps that he needs?

Any input would be hugely appreciated.

REgards,

Emily

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9a. Re: Cocunut oil

Posted by: “healthyhopeful” akaiyuhi2000  yahoo.com healthyhopeful

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:05 pm ((PDT))

I had something similar happen to me recently. I was so irritable that I made myself mad with my own movements/paper rustling. (I hadn’t been taking the coconut oil for a few days so I don’t know if that had an impact.)

I finally figured out that it was probably hormones so I went home and put on some hormone cream and that calmed me down.

You may want to check with an Endocrinologist to see if there is a hormone imbalance contributing. Jen

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, douglas richey <dglsrichey  …> wrote:

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> Carmen, I am back to the irritability issue. It turns out it is a problem with me. I do not want to stop it but wonder if anyone knows of any things one could ingest to put one at peace when that happens. I know cognitive (psychological) therapy in and out but the physical effect this has on me seems to precede any efforts to do something about it. Maybe it will wear off after an hour and maybe I am already over stressed today too. Doug

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> Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Cocunut oil

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10. PANDAS/ strep question

Posted by: “emilynk.chan” emilynk.chan  yahoo.com emilynk.chan

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:05 pm ((PDT))

Can someone please help me with my son’s lab tests for PANDAS/ step:

ASOT – Positive 200IU/mL (reference range – less than 200)

Antideoxyribonuclease – B antibodies – <50U/mL (reference range <187)

1. Does this mean my son has strep and/or PANDAS?

2. What are the treatment options?

Many thanks for any input

Regards,

Emily

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11a. Re: What caused yours?

Posted by: “healthyhopeful” akaiyuhi2000  yahoo.com healthyhopeful

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:05 pm ((PDT))

Yes actually. I feel better and my digestion is better. My weight is holding, not going up anymore. I still have a ways to go with the gut though because I still have the apple shaped stomach. I sometimes have  a relapse of symptoms if I indulge in sugars/breads but the response is not a big as before and I can recover more easily now by resuming a healthy diet. Side note.. someone here suggested a while back that skin candida rashes could be treated with Seabreeze. I did try it and it worked like a charm. Thanks, Jen

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12. I need advice with DMSO and Miconazole-Duncan or anyone

Posted by: “mike” ikelo  yahoo.com ikelo

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:10 pm ((PDT))

I am going to try using DMSO ointment with Miconazole for my candida cellulitis. I know I have to be very careful. I do not know much about DMSO. Can you put Dmso on an open ulcer? Should I put Miconazole on first then apply Dmso? I need any advice I can get. I am sure no doctor will help me with this. I cant find a doctor that treats Candida skin infections.

Mike

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13a. New remedy for candida

Posted by: “IMS” imsinfo  yahoo.com imsinfo

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:01 pm ((PDT))

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/15/29.cfm

I didn`t ry this combination but I do use Valerian tuncture according to Ayurveda recommendation. It helps a lot to stop such symptoms like palpitation and pain. Because I can`t tolerate most bitter antifungals it is my only supplement I use on regular base.Black Walnuts is very astrigenic so I can use it from time to time only.Intake of bitter and astrigenic herbs and strick diet is not recommended more that for 2 weeks in a raw bc it can make immune systen even more weak. I think it was my case when I was taking PauD Arco and other antifungals for a long time.

Lisa

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13b. Re: New remedy for candida

Posted by: “douglas richey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey

Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:47 pm ((PDT))

Lisa, that looks interesting. I hope I can find that tincture in a store so I won’t have to be the chemist. Doug

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From: IMS <imsinfo  yahoo.com>

Subject: [candidiasis] New remedy for candida

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 8:00 PM

http://www.motherna ture.com/ Library/Bookshel f/Books/15/ 29.cfm

I didn`t ry this combination but I do use Valerian tuncture according to Ayurveda recommendation. It helps a lot to stop such symptoms like palpitation and pain. Because I can`t tolerate most bitter antifungals it is my only supplement I use on regular base.Black Walnuts is very astrigenic so I can use it from time to time only.Intake of bitter and astrigenic herbs and strick diet is not recommended more that for 2 weeks in a raw bc it can make immune systen even more weak. I think it was my case when I was taking PauD Arco and other antifungals for a long time.

Lisa

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