[candidiasis] Digest Number 5875

By Daniela Murray | October 25, 2009

[candidiasis] Digest Number 5875
There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1.1. Re: GUESSWORK
From: MM
2a. Re: Align?
From: algaelady1
2b. Re: Align?
From: Wil Spencer
3.1. Re: SUGARS Duncan
From: Wil Spencer
4a. Re: Wil – what is your take on this link from terry??
From: Wil Spencer
5.1. Re: bacillus licheniformis cancer bacteria?
From: DuncanC
6a. Re: My Story & MMS
From: DuncanC
6b. Re: My Story & MMS
From: Keycross
6c. Re: My Story & MMS
From: DuncanC
6d. Re: natural vitamin C being preferred
From: DuncanC
7a. “chronic� Lyme disease
From: thizldoo  yahoo.com
7b. “chronic� Lyme disease
From: thizldoo  yahoo.com
8a. Re: mms
From: Tania Brassard
9a. Re: vit A and blurry vision
From: a_lorraine
10. Your Vote COUNTS
From: NieeMA
11. Canadian government’s safety doc on sodium chlorate (MMS subject)
From: DuncanC
12a. More conventional treatments
From: dglsrichey
12b. Re: More conventional treatments
From: NieeMA
12c. Re: More conventional treatments
From: douglas richey
13.1. Re: threelac
From: Paspenc5  cs.com
13.2. Re: threelac
From: douglas richey
14a. Re: get rid of candida in 48 hours
From: Michael Forrest
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1.1. Re: GUESSWORK
Posted by: “MM” medmidas  gmail.com gesigars
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:50 am ((PDT))
This is guess work.
all guesswork
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DuncanC wrote:
> I pointed out that research has eliminated lactose intolerance by using inulin. The action of the probiotics breaks down the lactose; we don’t ‘need’ to make our own lactase then if the bowel culture is correct.
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> I am talking about intolerance not allergy.
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> all good,
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> — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, MM <medmidas  …> wrote:
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>> I am talking about intolerance & not allergy.
>> An enzyme called “Lactase” is needed to tolerate lactose.
>> Glands producing lactase might have become less productive or shut down.
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>> Inulin cannot eliminate lactose intolerance in the research.
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>> “lactose intolerance only arises when the bowel ecology is incorrect” &
>> “Lactose intolerance is eliminated when the ecology improves; research
>> used inulin to do it”
>> This is all half knowledge.
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>> DuncanC wrote:
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>>> Inulin has eliminated lactose intolerance in the research. It appears that lactose intolerance only arises when the bowel ecology is incorrect.
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>>> Duncan
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2a. Re: Align?
Posted by: “algaelady1″ carol  minnick.us algaelady1
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:25 am ((PDT))
I wouldn’t use it, just because of the ingredients they use:
Microcrystalline cellulose, Hypromellose, Sugar, Magnesium stearate, Milk protein, Titanium dioxide, Sodium citrate dihydrate, Propyl gallate, FD&C blue #1
Carol
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Paspenc5  … wrote:
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> Has anyone here tried the probiotic Align by Proctor & Gamble?  I am
> curious to learn of the experience others may have had with this — good or bad.
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> Paul
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2b. Re: Align?
Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:02 am ((PDT))
I would not use it either!  I found the patent, bifidobacterium infantis 35624 probiotic,  this is one of the new genetically modified bacteriums coming out from the industrial sector.  In the patent is says it is of human origin, made by humans, not the soil or nature.
Welcome to the new world!  Manipulated medicine for money!
Wil
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From: algaelady1 <carol  minnick.us>
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 8:25:04 AM
Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Align?
I wouldn’t use it, just because of the ingredients they use:
Microcrystalline cellulose, Hypromellose, Sugar, Magnesium stearate, Milk protein, Titanium dioxide, Sodium citrate dihydrate, Propyl gallate, FD&C blue #1
Carol
— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Paspenc5  … wrote:
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> Has anyone here tried the probiotic Align by Proctor & Gamble?  I am
> curious to learn of the experience others may have had with this — good or bad.
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3.1. Re: SUGARS Duncan
Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:07 am ((PDT))
You do what you see fit, I will have a clinical protocol on my web site in the near future.  I refuse to recommend anything with out a consultation first.  I have friends in prison rite now for doing just that.  There are laws in this country that I have to abide by.
Wil
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From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com>
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 2:28:39 AM
Subject: [candidiasis] Re: SUGARS Duncan
I went through like 6 bottles of the stuff sold by ghc(also sells oxypowder, which I have used on days when I just can’t get moving).  So I actually got this round from them too, not the vitacost like a said a few msg’s back.  I have been taking like 10 pills a day for the past week which is 5 times the recommended dose.  Maybe I should try some of your blend and the 100+ probiotics since carmen is giving such a good review.
greg
— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:
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> I have been following the post and with out knowing any past events I can not say why it did not work.  I always recommend a saturation in the beginning, but it does take a little questioning directly to get an accurate view of thing.
> Wil
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> From: DuncanC <duncancrow   …>
> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 11:09:26 AM
> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: SUGARS Duncan
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> Greg, another try of Wil’s SBO? Wil says you can’t get well without it but it didn’t work; now Wil might have some comment to offer on the approach, dosage, brand or whatever.
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> The common way to get rid of an unknown infection is a broad spectrum antibiotic. Perhaps the abx, then the SBO, then the probiotics and inulin?
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> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “dreaminginnoother” <dreaminginnoother   …> wrote:
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> > it seems you are right.  I am in the unlucky f***ed for life category it would seem.  My prescription is perhaps a firearm
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> > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “DuncanC” <duncancrow   > wrote:
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> > > Greg, the last time you sought a negative reference on inulin on this list only a couple said they stopped using it and the majority improved. Over the last several years we’ve had four or five who can’t tolerate inulin. The gas dissipated in nearly everyone.
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> > > I have more positive comments on my page, without using the one-liners, than even responded to your question:
> > > http://members. shaw.ca/duncancr ow/comments. html
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> > >  The people who can’t take the most common complex carb after starch are certainly a small minority. Nearly all of us can obtain the same bowel health relief that we would have 3,000 years ago with same inulin that ancient Greek and Chinese doctors used :)
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> > > all good,
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> > > Duncan
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> > > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “dreaminginnoother” <dreaminginnoother   > wrote:
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> > > > and yet, very few people on this list seem to be able to tolerate inulin.  In fact most of us feel it worsens the problem.
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> > > > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “DuncanC” <duncancrow   > wrote:
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> > > > > With respect, Will, I’d bet I’ve read as much of the bowel health science as you have, sometimes apparently more, and I point to much of this research on this list and in my inulin references, which compare sugars and starches with inulin and FOS fermentation.
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> > > > > We’ve discussed bacteria and several sugars WRT bowel health; it’s a strength in fact that makes this group the best bowel health group on the Internet.
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> > > > > Glad to have you on board; reopening previous topics will allow us to revisit these discussions in more detail.
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> > > > > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   > wrote:
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> > > > > > One very important thing Duncan is not getting is the recognition of these sugars and starches are done by the bacterium in the gut.  With out the bacterium, most everything you eat will be a toxin and not a food.  This is where the electrical side of digestion is foreign to most, ecspecially the current old school science trained minds.  I explain it a little on my web site www.mbsre-set. com on the education tab.
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4a. Re: Wil – what is your take on this link from terry??
Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:18 am ((PDT))
I will be on the road for the better part of the next week seeing clients and a seminar.  I will look at it when I can and get back to you all.  When I have time I will check back in.
Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath
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From: Keycross <crossshapedkeys  verizon.net>
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 11:45:56 PM
Subject: [candidiasis] Wil – what is your take on this link from terry??
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From: Terry Insinga
To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:25 AM
Subject: [candidiasis] candida a myth?
I found this website this morning while googling for info about the candida spit test. It says that the spit test and the whole candida diet idea is a hoax. Are they completely off base?
Terry
http://blog. natural-acne- solution. com/candida- and-acne- misinformation- strikes-again/
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5.1. Re: bacillus licheniformis cancer bacteria?
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:56 am ((PDT))
Here’s a link to more information on its association with cancer:
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bacillus+licheniformis+cancer&aq=f&oq=&aqi=>
Duncan
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:
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> I did look it up and  found somethings.  Here is just one of the links  http://www.epa.gov/biotech_rule/pubs/fra/fra005.htm
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> From: DuncanC <duncancrow  …>
> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 7:01:51 PM
> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: bacillus licheniformis cancer bacteria?
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> Look it up, Wil; it’s not MY work ;)
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> Duncan
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> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:
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> > Now Duncan, anything can be dangerous when you are not informed.  Come on here, just because you are unfamiliar with some things is it right to be fearful and to spread that fear?  This idea of a cancer bacteria, evidently you are not aware of what cancer is from a wholistic view.  And boy do I have clinical experience in that cancer world.
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> > From: DuncanC <duncancrow   …>
> > To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 3:31:56 PM
> > Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Latero-Flora
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> > I’m glad it’s working, Carmen, and I hope it works in other intractable dysbiosis cases like Greg’s as well; however, calling a transient soil-based organism a ‘probiotic’ is a misnomer. SBOs can actually be dangerous, as is the case of bacillus licheniformis, the cancer bacteria, which was in Primal Defense.
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> > Duncan
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> > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, can2cis-y   . wrote:
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> > > I’ve been taking LateroFlora and 100+ Probiotics for the past 2 weeks and I have to say this is the *only* probiotic that works for me.
> > > I started w/ 1 scoop then increased to 3-4 scoops per day. I take 1 dropeful of 100+ w/ every 1 scoop of LateroFlora. Dosage does matter.  I have a case of the most stubborn intestinal gas ever which got resolved in these 2 weeks.  Also, I do not bloat/hurt after meals like it did prior to taking it.  For me this is a wonderful *wow*
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> > > cheers,
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> > > From: DuncanC <duncancrow   …>
> > > To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 10:09:26 AM
> > > Subject: [candidiasis] Re: SUGARS Duncan
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> > > Greg, another try of Wil’s SBO? Wil says you can’t get well without it but it didn’t work; now Wil might have some comment to offer on the approach, dosage, brand or whatever.
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6a. Re: My Story & MMS
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:04 am ((PDT))
Keycross, there are two parts to ozone therapy; the bio-oxidative part and the antioxidant support part. The oxidative burst is very good but supporting the body’s natural antioxidant response is what gets the oxidative stress back to normal after each session. It seems that part wasn’t done; nonetheless, ozone therapy is the safest and probably most effective medical therapy devised.
Because I have ozone it’s a no-brainer and I don’t have to compromize; in fact I won’t touch MMS and neither will ozone guru Dr. Pressman. Good luck with it though.
all good,
Duncan
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  …> wrote:
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> Duncan:
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> I STOPPED doing ozone IV’s because the ORP ( oxygen reduction potential ) is too high compared to C102 which doesn’t do harm to normal cells.  MMS is in ozone is out.  I can’t afford $300 per week for ozone iv’s but can afford the $3 per week for MMS.
> After 20 ozone treatments I don’t fell any better or worse than when I started, but after 2 weeks on MMS i can tell a substantial difference.
> Thanks
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6b. Re: My Story & MMS
Posted by: “Keycross” crossshapedkeys  verizon.net keycross
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:38 am ((PDT))
Your ozone guru told me not to take pharmaceutical grade vitamin c.  He’s a guru alright, he has a yahoo group of his own so he can sell all HIS stuff on his wife’s website.  P.S. I don’t put you in the same league as Jim Humble.  You’re just an arrogant wannabe with all the answers that you copy and paste from who knows where.
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From: DuncanC
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 11:04 AM
Subject: [candidiasis] Re: My Story & MMS
Keycross, there are two parts to ozone therapy; the bio-oxidative part and the antioxidant support part. The oxidative burst is very good but supporting the body’s natural antioxidant response is what gets the oxidative stress back to normal after each session. It seems that part wasn’t done; nonetheless, ozone therapy is the safest and probably most effective medical therapy devised.
Because I have ozone it’s a no-brainer and I don’t have to compromize; in fact I won’t touch MMS and neither will ozone guru Dr. Pressman. Good luck with it though.
all good,
Duncan
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  …> wrote:
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> Duncan:
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> I STOPPED doing ozone IV’s because the ORP ( oxygen reduction potential ) is too high compared to C102 which doesn’t do harm to normal cells. MMS is in ozone is out. I can’t afford $300 per week for ozone iv’s but can afford the $3 per week for MMS.
> After 20 ozone treatments I don’t fell any better or worse than when I started, but after 2 weeks on MMS i can tell a substantial difference.
> Thanks
> Keycross
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6c. Re: My Story & MMS
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:15 am ((PDT))
Keycross, Dr. Pressman took over the oxyplus group moderation when the moderator died. His wife offered to sell his only health product, ozonated olive oil on her site. I see no issues; his medical-grade ozone equipment is used worldwide.
DO I REALLY have to be nicer to this person than he is to me, Nieema? Awwww….
all good,
Duncan
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  …> wrote:
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> Your ozone guru told me not to take pharmaceutical grade vitamin c.  He’s a guru alright, he has a yahoo group of his own so he can sell all HIS stuff on his wife’s website.  P.S. I don’t put you in the same league as Jim Humble.  You’re just an arrogant wannabe with all the answers that you copy and paste from who knows where.
>  —– Original Message —–
>  From: DuncanC
>  To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 11:04 AM
>  Subject: [candidiasis] Re: My Story & MMS
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>    Keycross, there are two parts to ozone therapy; the bio-oxidative part and the antioxidant support part. The oxidative burst is very good but supporting the body’s natural antioxidant response is what gets the oxidative stress back to normal after each session. It seems that part wasn’t done; nonetheless, ozone therapy is the safest and probably most effective medical therapy devised.
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>  Because I have ozone it’s a no-brainer and I don’t have to compromize; in fact I won’t touch MMS and neither will ozone guru Dr. Pressman. Good luck with it though.
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>  Duncan
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>  — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  > wrote:
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>  > I STOPPED doing ozone IV’s because the ORP ( oxygen reduction potential ) is too high compared to C102 which doesn’t do harm to normal cells. MMS is in ozone is out. I can’t afford $300 per week for ozone iv’s but can afford the $3 per week for MMS.
>  > After 20 ozone treatments I don’t fell any better or worse than when I started, but after 2 weeks on MMS i can tell a substantial difference.
>  > Thanks
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6d. Re: natural vitamin C being preferred
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:57 am ((PDT))
Keycross, MOST health professionals relay the fact that natural source vitamin C, which contains related antioxidant and bioflavonoid components, is preferred over straight ascorbic acid USP or sodium ascorbate USP. Dr. Pressman is not alone.
Duncan
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  …> wrote:
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7a. “chronic� Lyme disease
Posted by: “thizldoo  yahoo.com” thizldoo  yahoo.com thizldoo
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:37 am ((PDT))
€  â’ ’¼chronic€  â’ ’½ Lyme disease
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7b. “chronic� Lyme disease
Posted by: “thizldoo  yahoo.com” thizldoo  yahoo.com thizldoo
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:38 am ((PDT))
While there is general agreement on the optimal treatment of early Lyme disease, considerable controversy has attached to the existence, prevalence, diagnostic criteria, and treatment of €  â’ ’¼chronic€  â’ ’½ Lyme disease. http://www.miraclemineralsupplement.biz/mms/Lyme-Disease
While there is general agreement on the optimal treatment of early Lyme disease, considerable controversy has attached to the existence, prevalence, diagnostic criteria, and treatment of €  â’ ’¼chronic€  â’ ’½ Lyme disease. http://www.miraclemineralsupplement.biz/mms/Lyme-Disease
The popularity of €  â’ ’¼chronic Lyme disease€  â’ ’½ as a concept despite a lack of supporting medical evidence led to a 2008 New England Journal of Medicine article calling it €  â’ ’¼the latest in a series of syndromes that have been postulated in an attempt to attribute medically unexplained symptoms to particular infections.€  â’ ’½
Most medical authorities, including the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA), the American Academy of Neurology, and the Centers for Disease Control, do not recommend long-term antibiotic treatment for €  â’ ’¼chronic€  â’ ’½ Lyme disease, since trials have shown little or no benefit and considerable risk from long-term antibiotics, especially when given intravenously.
http://www.miraclemineralsupplement.biz/mms/Lyme-Disease
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8a. Re: mms
Posted by: “Tania Brassard” taniabrassard  yahoo.ca taniabrassard
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:38 am ((PDT))
Has anyone else tried the MMS?€ ¦  I was reading about it yesterday and it sounds good.€ ¦  I am just wary because I have kidney disease.€ ¦  Has anyone with lots of health problems tried it and had success?
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9a. Re: vit A and blurry vision
Posted by: “a_lorraine” alisonlorraine  yahoo.com alisonlorraine
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:40 am ((PDT))
I’ve had a similar experience recently, where my QXCI/electronic phlebotomist tested me on her machines one day.  She told me that according to the scan, I needed vitamin A in some form or another.
I’d been having night vision problems and blurry vision at times as well, along with my usual skin issues, so I started taking double the rec’d dose of beta carotene for a while and the problems cleared up within days.  I was also put on fish oil, which has helped a lot.
I’m not sure what the mechanism is, but it seems that deficiencies in this respond pretty quickly to supplementation.  The same, I notice, goes for the B vitamins with anxiety issues–as soon as I take a few Bs, I feel more balanced, sometimes seemingly within minutes.
Alison
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, sol <solbun  …> wrote:
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> In addition to early cataracts I have been suffering extreme blurry and
> variable vision for at least the past 2 years. My opthalmologist said
> that cataracts don’t cause the variable blurry vision, and I’ve been
> jumping through test hoops since the end of July trying to find the cause.
> Nothing at all has turned up from the official medical investigating,
> but I did get a recommendation on another list to look at vit A.
> I did, and have started taking high dose A. From the very next day after
> my first high dose of A, I could see without blurriness again. The
> blurriness is gone. I’ve been taking A now since saturday, am wearing an
> old pair of glasses from before I had either the blurriness or the
> cataracts, and seeing really well.
> Since I have been told it can take a long time for vit A levels to build
> up to optimal, can anyone explain this immediate result?
> thanks,
> sol
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10. Your Vote COUNTS
Posted by: “NieeMA” nieema0  yahoo.com nieema0
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:02 am ((PDT))
Greetings All
I want to remind you all to vote in the poll.
It looks like we will have some sort of teleconferece next month!
Every vote counts…so please vote!!!
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/candidiasis/polls
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11. Canadian government’s safety doc on sodium chlorate (MMS subject)
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:25 am ((PDT))
<http://oehha.ca.gov/water/pals/chlorate.html>
While most health approaches seek to improve organ function and glutathione values, the paper “Notification Levels for Chemicals in Drinking Water” cites weight loss, reduced organ weight and decreased glutathione levels as the outcome of dietary sodium chlorate.
“Several recent studies have reported adverse effects (significant organ and body weight reductions, hematological effects, changes in pituitary and thyroid glands) in rats exposed via drinking water to sodium and/or potassium chlorate at doses similar to, but slightly lower than, those used in the Barrett (1987) study. “
“…Anemia, especially in female rats, which exhibited lower blood cell counts, hematocrit and hemoglobin levels than controls. In most cases, these parameters were statistically significantly lower than mean control values.”
A dose has been arrived at, for the purpose of putting it in drinking water.
“This conclusion is supported by the human studies of Lubbers and coworkers, who found no effects in adult male humans with subchronic chlorate doses of 2.5 mg/day.”
How much chlorate do you take?
all good,
Duncan
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12a. More conventional treatments
Posted by: “dglsrichey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:39 pm ((PDT))
What are some more mainstream ways to attack the candida, in addition to regulating my diet. I  accept Duncan’s method may be the best, but since I have some problems with the whey and inulin, I would like to be ingesting something, not an antibiotic, to help. A naturapath sold me Yeast Max and I am going to go back to using that. When that runs out aren’t there some things like Oil of Orgeano and other things that will help fight back the candida some and give me some relief from bloating. I intend to get the L-Cystine and already take selenium in my nuts but want a more direct conventional method to use. Thanks Doug
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12b. Re: More conventional treatments
Posted by: “NieeMA” nieema0  yahoo.com nieema0
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:18 pm ((PDT))
Cleaning ones colon is one of the first things I did and I do.
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “dglsrichey” <dglsrichey  …> wrote:
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> What are some more mainstream ways to attack the candida, in addition to regulating my diet. I  accept Duncan’s method may be the best, but since I have some problems with the whey and inulin, I would like to be ingesting something, not an antibiotic, to help. A naturapath sold me Yeast Max and I am going to go back to using that. When that runs out aren’t there some things like Oil of Orgeano and other things that will help fight back the candida some and give me some relief from bloating. I intend to get the L-Cystine and already take selenium in my nuts but want a more direct conventional method to use. Thanks Doug
>
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12c. Re: More conventional treatments
Posted by: “douglas richey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:33 pm ((PDT))
OK, thanks Nieema. What else like the Oregano Oil would help it? Doug
— On Sat, 10/24/09, NieeMA <nieema0  yahoo.com> wrote:
From: NieeMA <nieema0  yahoo.com>
Subject: [candidiasis] Re: More conventional treatments
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 10:18 PM
€ ¦
Cleaning ones colon is one of the first things I did and I do.
— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “dglsrichey” <dglsrichey   …> wrote:
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> What are some more mainstream ways to attack the candida, in addition to regulating my diet. I  accept Duncan’s method may be the best, but since I have some problems with the whey and inulin, I would like to be ingesting something, not an antibiotic, to help. A naturapath sold me Yeast Max and I am going to go back to using that. When that runs out aren’t there some things like Oil of Orgeano and other things that will help fight back the candida some and give me some relief from bloating. I intend to get the L-Cystine and already take selenium in my nuts but want a more direct conventional method to use. Thanks Doug
>
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13.1. Re: threelac
Posted by: “Paspenc5  cs.com” Paspenc5  cs.com lemonade19882000
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:11 pm ((PDT))
I have tried Threelac.  It did something positive for me in the beginning.
It normalized the appearance of bowel movements, making them formed, solid,
and even floating (which is supposed to be ideal, from my understanding).
However, with further use, it seemed to lose its effectiveness — at least
for me.
I wouldn’t say it is a product completely without merit.  We’re all so
different, so it may be helpful to you.  It’s a bit pricey, however, so search
Amazon or other similar sites to get the best price, if you decide to try it.
Paul
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13.2. Re: threelac
Posted by: “douglas richey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:44 pm ((PDT))
Thanks Paul, if its effect did not last that does not sound effective. I think in addition I need to remove one food a week. How is your diet Paul? Doug
— On Sat, 10/24/09, Paspenc5  cs.com <Paspenc5  cs.com> wrote:
From: Paspenc5  cs.com <Paspenc5  cs.com>
Subject: Re: [candidiasis] threelac
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 8:42 PM
€ ¦
I have tried Threelac.  It did something positive for me in the beginning.
It normalized the appearance of bowel movements, making them formed, solid,
and even floating (which is supposed to be ideal, from my understanding) .
However, with further use, it seemed to lose its effectiveness — at least
for me.
I wouldn’t say it is a product completely without merit.  We’re all so
different, so it may be helpful to you.  It’s a bit pricey, however, so search
Amazon or other similar sites to get the best price, if you decide to try it.
Paul
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14a. Re: get rid of candida in 48 hours
Posted by: “Michael Forrest” a57ngel  yahoo.com a57ngel
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:13 pm ((PDT))
What a bunch of hog-wash!
I hate it when people who€ ¦´ve never experienced candida come up with all these wierd theories that aren€ ¦´t tested by themselves and really have no basis in reality. This guy was focusing on the candida in the blood, but that is only spillover from what€ ¦´s in the intestines. Eat sweet fruit and the candida in the intestines goes hop wild.
I hope none of you buy into any of his misinformation.
The only time I can get away with eating fruits is when I zap myself twice a week with my anti-candida device. Otherwise, forget it!
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[candidiasis] Digest Number 5875

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: GUESSWORK

From: MM

2a. Re: Align?

From: algaelady1

2b. Re: Align?

From: Wil Spencer

3.1. Re: SUGARS Duncan

From: Wil Spencer

4a. Re: Wil – what is your take on this link from terry??

From: Wil Spencer

5.1. Re: bacillus licheniformis cancer bacteria?

From: DuncanC

6a. Re: My Story & MMS

From: DuncanC

6b. Re: My Story & MMS

From: Keycross

6c. Re: My Story & MMS

From: DuncanC

6d. Re: natural vitamin C being preferred

From: DuncanC

7a. “chronic� Lyme disease

From: thizldoo  yahoo.com

7b. “chronic� Lyme disease

From: thizldoo  yahoo.com

8a. Re: mms

From: Tania Brassard

9a. Re: vit A and blurry vision

From: a_lorraine

10. Your Vote COUNTS

From: NieeMA

11. Canadian government’s safety doc on sodium chlorate (MMS subject)

From: DuncanC

12a. More conventional treatments

From: dglsrichey

12b. Re: More conventional treatments

From: NieeMA

12c. Re: More conventional treatments

From: douglas richey

13.1. Re: threelac

From: Paspenc5  cs.com

13.2. Re: threelac

From: douglas richey

14a. Re: get rid of candida in 48 hours

From: Michael Forrest

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1.1. Re: GUESSWORK

Posted by: “MM” medmidas  gmail.com gesigars

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:50 am ((PDT))

This is guess work.

all guesswork

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DuncanC wrote:

> I pointed out that research has eliminated lactose intolerance by using inulin. The action of the probiotics breaks down the lactose; we don’t ‘need’ to make our own lactase then if the bowel culture is correct.

>

> I am talking about intolerance not allergy.

>

> all good,

>

>

>

> Duncan

>

>

> — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, MM <medmidas  …> wrote:

>

>> I am talking about intolerance & not allergy.

>> An enzyme called “Lactase” is needed to tolerate lactose.

>> Glands producing lactase might have become less productive or shut down.

>>

>> Inulin cannot eliminate lactose intolerance in the research.

>>

>> “lactose intolerance only arises when the bowel ecology is incorrect” &

>> “Lactose intolerance is eliminated when the ecology improves; research

>> used inulin to do it”

>> This is all half knowledge.

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>> DuncanC wrote:

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>>> Inulin has eliminated lactose intolerance in the research. It appears that lactose intolerance only arises when the bowel ecology is incorrect.

>>>

>>> Duncan

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2a. Re: Align?

Posted by: “algaelady1″ carol  minnick.us algaelady1

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:25 am ((PDT))

I wouldn’t use it, just because of the ingredients they use:

Microcrystalline cellulose, Hypromellose, Sugar, Magnesium stearate, Milk protein, Titanium dioxide, Sodium citrate dihydrate, Propyl gallate, FD&C blue #1

Carol

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Paspenc5  … wrote:

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> Has anyone here tried the probiotic Align by Proctor & Gamble?  I am

> curious to learn of the experience others may have had with this — good or bad.

>

> Paul

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2b. Re: Align?

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:02 am ((PDT))

I would not use it either!  I found the patent, bifidobacterium infantis 35624 probiotic,  this is one of the new genetically modified bacteriums coming out from the industrial sector.  In the patent is says it is of human origin, made by humans, not the soil or nature.

Welcome to the new world!  Manipulated medicine for money!

Wil

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From: algaelady1 <carol  minnick.us>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 8:25:04 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Align?

I wouldn’t use it, just because of the ingredients they use:

Microcrystalline cellulose, Hypromellose, Sugar, Magnesium stearate, Milk protein, Titanium dioxide, Sodium citrate dihydrate, Propyl gallate, FD&C blue #1

Carol

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Paspenc5  … wrote:

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> Has anyone here tried the probiotic Align by Proctor & Gamble?  I am

> curious to learn of the experience others may have had with this — good or bad.

>

> Paul

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3.1. Re: SUGARS Duncan

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:07 am ((PDT))

You do what you see fit, I will have a clinical protocol on my web site in the near future.  I refuse to recommend anything with out a consultation first.  I have friends in prison rite now for doing just that.  There are laws in this country that I have to abide by.

Wil

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From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 2:28:39 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: SUGARS Duncan

I went through like 6 bottles of the stuff sold by ghc(also sells oxypowder, which I have used on days when I just can’t get moving).  So I actually got this round from them too, not the vitacost like a said a few msg’s back.  I have been taking like 10 pills a day for the past week which is 5 times the recommended dose.  Maybe I should try some of your blend and the 100+ probiotics since carmen is giving such a good review.

greg

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:

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> I have been following the post and with out knowing any past events I can not say why it did not work.  I always recommend a saturation in the beginning, but it does take a little questioning directly to get an accurate view of thing.

> Wil

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: DuncanC <duncancrow   …>

> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 11:09:26 AM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: SUGARS Duncan

>

>

> Greg, another try of Wil’s SBO? Wil says you can’t get well without it but it didn’t work; now Wil might have some comment to offer on the approach, dosage, brand or whatever.

>

> The common way to get rid of an unknown infection is a broad spectrum antibiotic. Perhaps the abx, then the SBO, then the probiotics and inulin?

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “dreaminginnoother” <dreaminginnoother   …> wrote:

> >

> > it seems you are right.  I am in the unlucky f***ed for life category it would seem.  My prescription is perhaps a firearm

> >

> > greg

> >

> > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “DuncanC” <duncancrow   > wrote:

> > >

> > > Greg, the last time you sought a negative reference on inulin on this list only a couple said they stopped using it and the majority improved. Over the last several years we’ve had four or five who can’t tolerate inulin. The gas dissipated in nearly everyone.

> > >

> > > I have more positive comments on my page, without using the one-liners, than even responded to your question:

> > > http://members. shaw.ca/duncancr ow/comments. html

> > >

> > >  The people who can’t take the most common complex carb after starch are certainly a small minority. Nearly all of us can obtain the same bowel health relief that we would have 3,000 years ago with same inulin that ancient Greek and Chinese doctors used :)

> > >

> > > all good,

> > >

> > > Duncan

> > >

> > > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “dreaminginnoother” <dreaminginnoother   > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > and yet, very few people on this list seem to be able to tolerate inulin.  In fact most of us feel it worsens the problem.

> > > >

> > > > greg

> > > >

> > > > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “DuncanC” <duncancrow   > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > With respect, Will, I’d bet I’ve read as much of the bowel health science as you have, sometimes apparently more, and I point to much of this research on this list and in my inulin references, which compare sugars and starches with inulin and FOS fermentation.

> > > > >

> > > > > We’ve discussed bacteria and several sugars WRT bowel health; it’s a strength in fact that makes this group the best bowel health group on the Internet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Glad to have you on board; reopening previous topics will allow us to revisit these discussions in more detail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Duncan

> > > > >

> > > > > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One very important thing Duncan is not getting is the recognition of these sugars and starches are done by the bacterium in the gut.  With out the bacterium, most everything you eat will be a toxin and not a food.  This is where the electrical side of digestion is foreign to most, ecspecially the current old school science trained minds.  I explain it a little on my web site www.mbsre-set. com on the education tab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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4a. Re: Wil – what is your take on this link from terry??

Posted by: “Wil Spencer” wilspencer  rocketmail.com wilspencer  rocketmail.com

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:18 am ((PDT))

I will be on the road for the better part of the next week seeing clients and a seminar.  I will look at it when I can and get back to you all.  When I have time I will check back in.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: Keycross <crossshapedkeys  verizon.net>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 11:45:56 PM

Subject: [candidiasis] Wil – what is your take on this link from terry??

—– Original Message —–

From: Terry Insinga

To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:25 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] candida a myth?

I found this website this morning while googling for info about the candida spit test. It says that the spit test and the whole candida diet idea is a hoax. Are they completely off base?

Terry

http://blog. natural-acne- solution. com/candida- and-acne- misinformation- strikes-again/

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5.1. Re: bacillus licheniformis cancer bacteria?

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:56 am ((PDT))

Here’s a link to more information on its association with cancer:

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bacillus+licheniformis+cancer&aq=f&oq=&aqi=>

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer  …> wrote:

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> I did look it up and  found somethings.  Here is just one of the links  http://www.epa.gov/biotech_rule/pubs/fra/fra005.htm

>

> Wil

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: DuncanC <duncancrow  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 7:01:51 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: bacillus licheniformis cancer bacteria?

>

>

> Look it up, Wil; it’s not MY work ;)

>

> Duncan

>

> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, Wil Spencer <wilspencer   …> wrote:

> >

> > Now Duncan, anything can be dangerous when you are not informed.  Come on here, just because you are unfamiliar with some things is it right to be fearful and to spread that fear?  This idea of a cancer bacteria, evidently you are not aware of what cancer is from a wholistic view.  And boy do I have clinical experience in that cancer world.

> >

> > Wil

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: DuncanC <duncancrow   …>

> > To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> > Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 3:31:56 PM

> > Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Latero-Flora

> >

> >

> > I’m glad it’s working, Carmen, and I hope it works in other intractable dysbiosis cases like Greg’s as well; however, calling a transient soil-based organism a ‘probiotic’ is a misnomer. SBOs can actually be dangerous, as is the case of bacillus licheniformis, the cancer bacteria, which was in Primal Defense.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> > — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, can2cis-y   . wrote:

> > >

> > > I’ve been taking LateroFlora and 100+ Probiotics for the past 2 weeks and I have to say this is the *only* probiotic that works for me.

> > > I started w/ 1 scoop then increased to 3-4 scoops per day. I take 1 dropeful of 100+ w/ every 1 scoop of LateroFlora. Dosage does matter.  I have a case of the most stubborn intestinal gas ever which got resolved in these 2 weeks.  Also, I do not bloat/hurt after meals like it did prior to taking it.  For me this is a wonderful *wow*

> > >

> > > cheers,

> > > carmen

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: DuncanC <duncancrow   …>

> > > To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> > > Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 10:09:26 AM

> > > Subject: [candidiasis] Re: SUGARS Duncan

> > >

> > >

> > > Greg, another try of Wil’s SBO? Wil says you can’t get well without it but it didn’t work; now Wil might have some comment to offer on the approach, dosage, brand or whatever.

> > >

> > > The common way to get rid of an unknown infection is a broad spectrum antibiotic. Perhaps the abx, then the SBO, then the probiotics and inulin?

> > >

> > > all good,

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6a. Re: My Story & MMS

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:04 am ((PDT))

Keycross, there are two parts to ozone therapy; the bio-oxidative part and the antioxidant support part. The oxidative burst is very good but supporting the body’s natural antioxidant response is what gets the oxidative stress back to normal after each session. It seems that part wasn’t done; nonetheless, ozone therapy is the safest and probably most effective medical therapy devised.

Because I have ozone it’s a no-brainer and I don’t have to compromize; in fact I won’t touch MMS and neither will ozone guru Dr. Pressman. Good luck with it though.

all good,

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  …> wrote:

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> Duncan:

>

> I STOPPED doing ozone IV’s because the ORP ( oxygen reduction potential ) is too high compared to C102 which doesn’t do harm to normal cells.  MMS is in ozone is out.  I can’t afford $300 per week for ozone iv’s but can afford the $3 per week for MMS.

> After 20 ozone treatments I don’t fell any better or worse than when I started, but after 2 weeks on MMS i can tell a substantial difference.

> Thanks

> Keycross

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6b. Re: My Story & MMS

Posted by: “Keycross” crossshapedkeys  verizon.net keycross

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:38 am ((PDT))

Your ozone guru told me not to take pharmaceutical grade vitamin c.  He’s a guru alright, he has a yahoo group of his own so he can sell all HIS stuff on his wife’s website.  P.S. I don’t put you in the same league as Jim Humble.  You’re just an arrogant wannabe with all the answers that you copy and paste from who knows where.

—– Original Message —–

From: DuncanC

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 11:04 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: My Story & MMS

Keycross, there are two parts to ozone therapy; the bio-oxidative part and the antioxidant support part. The oxidative burst is very good but supporting the body’s natural antioxidant response is what gets the oxidative stress back to normal after each session. It seems that part wasn’t done; nonetheless, ozone therapy is the safest and probably most effective medical therapy devised.

Because I have ozone it’s a no-brainer and I don’t have to compromize; in fact I won’t touch MMS and neither will ozone guru Dr. Pressman. Good luck with it though.

all good,

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  …> wrote:

>

> Duncan:

>

> I STOPPED doing ozone IV’s because the ORP ( oxygen reduction potential ) is too high compared to C102 which doesn’t do harm to normal cells. MMS is in ozone is out. I can’t afford $300 per week for ozone iv’s but can afford the $3 per week for MMS.

> After 20 ozone treatments I don’t fell any better or worse than when I started, but after 2 weeks on MMS i can tell a substantial difference.

> Thanks

> Keycross

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6c. Re: My Story & MMS

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:15 am ((PDT))

Keycross, Dr. Pressman took over the oxyplus group moderation when the moderator died. His wife offered to sell his only health product, ozonated olive oil on her site. I see no issues; his medical-grade ozone equipment is used worldwide.

DO I REALLY have to be nicer to this person than he is to me, Nieema? Awwww….

all good,

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  …> wrote:

>

> Your ozone guru told me not to take pharmaceutical grade vitamin c.  He’s a guru alright, he has a yahoo group of his own so he can sell all HIS stuff on his wife’s website.  P.S. I don’t put you in the same league as Jim Humble.  You’re just an arrogant wannabe with all the answers that you copy and paste from who knows where.

>  —– Original Message —–

>  From: DuncanC

>  To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

>  Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 11:04 AM

>  Subject: [candidiasis] Re: My Story & MMS

>

>

>    Keycross, there are two parts to ozone therapy; the bio-oxidative part and the antioxidant support part. The oxidative burst is very good but supporting the body’s natural antioxidant response is what gets the oxidative stress back to normal after each session. It seems that part wasn’t done; nonetheless, ozone therapy is the safest and probably most effective medical therapy devised.

>

>  Because I have ozone it’s a no-brainer and I don’t have to compromize; in fact I won’t touch MMS and neither will ozone guru Dr. Pressman. Good luck with it though.

>

>  all good,

>

>  Duncan

>

>  — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  > wrote:

>  >

>  > Duncan:

>  >

>  > I STOPPED doing ozone IV’s because the ORP ( oxygen reduction potential ) is too high compared to C102 which doesn’t do harm to normal cells. MMS is in ozone is out. I can’t afford $300 per week for ozone iv’s but can afford the $3 per week for MMS.

>  > After 20 ozone treatments I don’t fell any better or worse than when I started, but after 2 weeks on MMS i can tell a substantial difference.

>  > Thanks

>  > Keycross

>

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>

>

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6d. Re: natural vitamin C being preferred

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:57 am ((PDT))

Keycross, MOST health professionals relay the fact that natural source vitamin C, which contains related antioxidant and bioflavonoid components, is preferred over straight ascorbic acid USP or sodium ascorbate USP. Dr. Pressman is not alone.

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “Keycross” <crossshapedkeys  …> wrote:

>

> Your ozone guru told me not to take pharmaceutical grade vitamin c.

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7a. “chronic� Lyme disease

Posted by: “thizldoo  yahoo.com” thizldoo  yahoo.com thizldoo

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:37 am ((PDT))

€  â’ ’¼chronic€  â’ ’½ Lyme disease

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7b. “chronic� Lyme disease

Posted by: “thizldoo  yahoo.com” thizldoo  yahoo.com thizldoo

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:38 am ((PDT))

While there is general agreement on the optimal treatment of early Lyme disease, considerable controversy has attached to the existence, prevalence, diagnostic criteria, and treatment of €  â’ ’¼chronic€  â’ ’½ Lyme disease. http://www.miraclemineralsupplement.biz/mms/Lyme-Disease

While there is general agreement on the optimal treatment of early Lyme disease, considerable controversy has attached to the existence, prevalence, diagnostic criteria, and treatment of €  â’ ’¼chronic€  â’ ’½ Lyme disease. http://www.miraclemineralsupplement.biz/mms/Lyme-Disease

The popularity of €  â’ ’¼chronic Lyme disease€  â’ ’½ as a concept despite a lack of supporting medical evidence led to a 2008 New England Journal of Medicine article calling it €  â’ ’¼the latest in a series of syndromes that have been postulated in an attempt to attribute medically unexplained symptoms to particular infections.€  â’ ’½

Most medical authorities, including the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA), the American Academy of Neurology, and the Centers for Disease Control, do not recommend long-term antibiotic treatment for €  â’ ’¼chronic€  â’ ’½ Lyme disease, since trials have shown little or no benefit and considerable risk from long-term antibiotics, especially when given intravenously.

http://www.miraclemineralsupplement.biz/mms/Lyme-Disease

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8a. Re: mms

Posted by: “Tania Brassard” taniabrassard  yahoo.ca taniabrassard

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:38 am ((PDT))

Has anyone else tried the MMS?€ ¦  I was reading about it yesterday and it sounds good.€ ¦  I am just wary because I have kidney disease.€ ¦  Has anyone with lots of health problems tried it and had success?

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9a. Re: vit A and blurry vision

Posted by: “a_lorraine” alisonlorraine  yahoo.com alisonlorraine

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:40 am ((PDT))

I’ve had a similar experience recently, where my QXCI/electronic phlebotomist tested me on her machines one day.  She told me that according to the scan, I needed vitamin A in some form or another.

I’d been having night vision problems and blurry vision at times as well, along with my usual skin issues, so I started taking double the rec’d dose of beta carotene for a while and the problems cleared up within days.  I was also put on fish oil, which has helped a lot.

I’m not sure what the mechanism is, but it seems that deficiencies in this respond pretty quickly to supplementation.  The same, I notice, goes for the B vitamins with anxiety issues–as soon as I take a few Bs, I feel more balanced, sometimes seemingly within minutes.

Alison

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> In addition to early cataracts I have been suffering extreme blurry and

> variable vision for at least the past 2 years. My opthalmologist said

> that cataracts don’t cause the variable blurry vision, and I’ve been

> jumping through test hoops since the end of July trying to find the cause.

> Nothing at all has turned up from the official medical investigating,

> but I did get a recommendation on another list to look at vit A.

> I did, and have started taking high dose A. From the very next day after

> my first high dose of A, I could see without blurriness again. The

> blurriness is gone. I’ve been taking A now since saturday, am wearing an

> old pair of glasses from before I had either the blurriness or the

> cataracts, and seeing really well.

> Since I have been told it can take a long time for vit A levels to build

> up to optimal, can anyone explain this immediate result?

> thanks,

> sol

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10. Your Vote COUNTS

Posted by: “NieeMA” nieema0  yahoo.com nieema0

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:02 am ((PDT))

Greetings All

I want to remind you all to vote in the poll.

It looks like we will have some sort of teleconferece next month!

Every vote counts…so please vote!!!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/candidiasis/polls

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11. Canadian government’s safety doc on sodium chlorate (MMS subject)

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:25 am ((PDT))

<http://oehha.ca.gov/water/pals/chlorate.html>

While most health approaches seek to improve organ function and glutathione values, the paper “Notification Levels for Chemicals in Drinking Water” cites weight loss, reduced organ weight and decreased glutathione levels as the outcome of dietary sodium chlorate.

“Several recent studies have reported adverse effects (significant organ and body weight reductions, hematological effects, changes in pituitary and thyroid glands) in rats exposed via drinking water to sodium and/or potassium chlorate at doses similar to, but slightly lower than, those used in the Barrett (1987) study. ”

“…Anemia, especially in female rats, which exhibited lower blood cell counts, hematocrit and hemoglobin levels than controls. In most cases, these parameters were statistically significantly lower than mean control values.”

A dose has been arrived at, for the purpose of putting it in drinking water.

“This conclusion is supported by the human studies of Lubbers and coworkers, who found no effects in adult male humans with subchronic chlorate doses of 2.5 mg/day.”

How much chlorate do you take?

all good,

Duncan

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12a. More conventional treatments

Posted by: “dglsrichey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:39 pm ((PDT))

What are some more mainstream ways to attack the candida, in addition to regulating my diet. I  accept Duncan’s method may be the best, but since I have some problems with the whey and inulin, I would like to be ingesting something, not an antibiotic, to help. A naturapath sold me Yeast Max and I am going to go back to using that. When that runs out aren’t there some things like Oil of Orgeano and other things that will help fight back the candida some and give me some relief from bloating. I intend to get the L-Cystine and already take selenium in my nuts but want a more direct conventional method to use. Thanks Doug

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12b. Re: More conventional treatments

Posted by: “NieeMA” nieema0  yahoo.com nieema0

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:18 pm ((PDT))

Cleaning ones colon is one of the first things I did and I do.

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> What are some more mainstream ways to attack the candida, in addition to regulating my diet. I  accept Duncan’s method may be the best, but since I have some problems with the whey and inulin, I would like to be ingesting something, not an antibiotic, to help. A naturapath sold me Yeast Max and I am going to go back to using that. When that runs out aren’t there some things like Oil of Orgeano and other things that will help fight back the candida some and give me some relief from bloating. I intend to get the L-Cystine and already take selenium in my nuts but want a more direct conventional method to use. Thanks Doug

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12c. Re: More conventional treatments

Posted by: “douglas richey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:33 pm ((PDT))

OK, thanks Nieema. What else like the Oregano Oil would help it? Doug

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From: NieeMA <nieema0  yahoo.com>

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: More conventional treatments

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 10:18 PM

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Cleaning ones colon is one of the first things I did and I do.

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> What are some more mainstream ways to attack the candida, in addition to regulating my diet. I  accept Duncan’s method may be the best, but since I have some problems with the whey and inulin, I would like to be ingesting something, not an antibiotic, to help. A naturapath sold me Yeast Max and I am going to go back to using that. When that runs out aren’t there some things like Oil of Orgeano and other things that will help fight back the candida some and give me some relief from bloating. I intend to get the L-Cystine and already take selenium in my nuts but want a more direct conventional method to use. Thanks Doug

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13.1. Re: threelac

Posted by: “Paspenc5  cs.com” Paspenc5  cs.com lemonade19882000

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:11 pm ((PDT))

I have tried Threelac.  It did something positive for me in the beginning.

It normalized the appearance of bowel movements, making them formed, solid,

and even floating (which is supposed to be ideal, from my understanding).

However, with further use, it seemed to lose its effectiveness — at least

for me.

I wouldn’t say it is a product completely without merit.  We’re all so

different, so it may be helpful to you.  It’s a bit pricey, however, so search

Amazon or other similar sites to get the best price, if you decide to try it.

Paul

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13.2. Re: threelac

Posted by: “douglas richey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:44 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Paul, if its effect did not last that does not sound effective. I think in addition I need to remove one food a week. How is your diet Paul? Doug

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From: Paspenc5  cs.com <Paspenc5  cs.com>

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] threelac

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 8:42 PM

€ ¦

I have tried Threelac.  It did something positive for me in the beginning.

It normalized the appearance of bowel movements, making them formed, solid,

and even floating (which is supposed to be ideal, from my understanding) .

However, with further use, it seemed to lose its effectiveness — at least

for me.

I wouldn’t say it is a product completely without merit.  We’re all so

different, so it may be helpful to you.  It’s a bit pricey, however, so search

Amazon or other similar sites to get the best price, if you decide to try it.

Paul

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14a. Re: get rid of candida in 48 hours

Posted by: “Michael Forrest” a57ngel  yahoo.com a57ngel

Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:13 pm ((PDT))

What a bunch of hog-wash!

I hate it when people who€ ¦´ve never experienced candida come up with all these wierd theories that aren€ ¦´t tested by themselves and really have no basis in reality. This guy was focusing on the candida in the blood, but that is only spillover from what€ ¦´s in the intestines. Eat sweet fruit and the candida in the intestines goes hop wild.

I hope none of you buy into any of his misinformation.

The only time I can get away with eating fruits is when I zap myself twice a week with my anti-candida device. Otherwise, forget it!

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