[candidiasis] Digest Number 5881

[candidiasis] Digest Number 5881
There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. my experience with inulin
From: deltabeats_71
1b. Re: my experience with inulin
From: DuncanC
1c. Re: my experience with inulin
From: Paul Thompson
1d. Re: my experience with inulin
From: Patterson, Jennifer
2a. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
From: DuncanC
2b. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
From: can2cis-y  yahoo.com
2c. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
From: DuncanC
2d. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
From: can2cis-y  yahoo.com
3a. Coconut oil
From: Sharon
3b. Re: Coconut oil
From: sol
3c. Re: Coconut oil
From: douglas richey
4a. Re: Cocunut oil
From: dreaminginnoother
5a. Re: Does Greg have SIBO?
From: dreaminginnoother
6a. Re: GREG
From: dreaminginnoother
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1a. my experience with inulin
Posted by: “deltabeats_71″ deltabeats_71  yahoo.com deltabeats_71
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:34 am ((PDT))
I have been trying (mostly unsuccessfully) for years to incorporate inulin into my regime. For the most part it has blown my stomach out to the point where I feel like a hot air balloon and even a sip of water would tear me apart. Finally I got a sample of some Orafti inulin without any sugar at all. This also blew me up a little and caused excessive gas but I stuck with it and after some time was able to tolerate it. When it run out I heard about Fiberrific which seemed like the next best thing. Was able to tolerate that too and with that thought maybe this was the beginning of the end of this monster that has been controlling me (knowingly) for close to 10 years.
After a couple of weeks of using Fiberiffic the gas was down to almost nothing and my bloating had relatively subsided (though my stomach/intestinal area was far from normal). Soon after though the gas started to return and although I’m still able to tolerate Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once again causing massive gas problems. It has been several months of religiously taking 3 heaped teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a problem. Though I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is doing still causing so much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read that after a couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys should be winning the intestinal battle. With the gas I still produce, it’s obvious the favorable bacteria is still a long way off…
Any suggestions, ideas, thoughts?
Paul in Japan
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1b. Re: my experience with inulin
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:48 am ((PDT))
Perhaps mixing a high-dose probiotic with the inulin will give you the edge you need. VSL#3 for example uses 450 billion organisms per dose.
Duncan
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “deltabeats_71″ <deltabeats_71  …> wrote:
>
> I have been trying (mostly unsuccessfully) for years to incorporate inulin into my regime. For the most part it has blown my stomach out to the point where I feel like a hot air balloon and even a sip of water would tear me apart. Finally I got a sample of some Orafti inulin without any sugar at all. This also blew me up a little and caused excessive gas but I stuck with it and after some time was able to tolerate it. When it run out I heard about Fiberrific which seemed like the next best thing. Was able to tolerate that too and with that thought maybe this was the beginning of the end of this monster that has been controlling me (knowingly) for close to 10 years.
>
> After a couple of weeks of using Fiberiffic the gas was down to almost nothing and my bloating had relatively subsided (though my stomach/intestinal area was far from normal). Soon after though the gas started to return and although I’m still able to tolerate Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once again causing massive gas problems. It has been several months of religiously taking 3 heaped teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a problem. Though I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is doing still causing so much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read that after a couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys should be winning the intestinal battle. With the gas I still produce, it’s obvious the favorable bacteria is still a long way off…
>
> Any suggestions, ideas, thoughts?
>
> Paul in Japan
>
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1c. Re: my experience with inulin
Posted by: “Paul Thompson” deltabeats_71  yahoo.com deltabeats_71
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:37 pm ((PDT))
Thanks for your reply Duncan,
I have tried high dosing VSL#3 in the past with no marked improvement. I’ll give it another go. What I don’t understand is that I get to a place which I call improvement and then slowly slide back down despite no changes to my diet, supplementation etc…
Paul
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From: DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca>
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 12:46:15 AM
Subject: [candidiasis] Re: my experience with inulin
Perhaps mixing a high-dose probiotic with the inulin will give you the edge you need. VSL#3 for example uses 450 billion organisms per dose.
Duncan
— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “deltabeats_ 71″ <deltabeats_ 71  …> wrote:
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> I have been trying (mostly unsuccessfully) for years to incorporate inulin into my regime. For the most part it has blown my stomach out to the point where I feel like a hot air balloon and even a sip of water would tear me apart. Finally I got a sample of some Orafti inulin without any sugar at all. This also blew me up a little and caused excessive gas but I stuck with it and after some time was able to tolerate it. When it run out I heard about Fiberrific which seemed like the next best thing. Was able to tolerate that too and with that thought maybe this was the beginning of the end of this monster that has been controlling me (knowingly) for close to 10 years.
>
> After a couple of weeks of using Fiberiffic the gas was down to almost nothing and my bloating had relatively subsided (though my stomach/intestinal area was far from normal). Soon after though the gas started to return and although I’m still able to tolerate Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once again causing massive gas problems. It has been several months of religiously taking 3 heaped teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a problem. Though I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is doing still causing so much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read that after a couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys should be winning the intestinal battle. With the gas I still produce, it’s obvious the favorable bacteria is still a long way off…
>
> Any suggestions, ideas, thoughts?
>
> Paul in Japan
>
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1d. Re: my experience with inulin
Posted by: “Patterson, Jennifer” kenstar  cogeco.ca jpatterson113
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:19 pm ((PDT))
I talked to the people at Ferring today.  They sell VSL #3.  They say
that these organisms are specifically for colitis and ileac pouch.
Does this mean that it is no good for Candida?
Jennifer
On 29-Oct-09, at 11:46 AM, DuncanC wrote:
> Perhaps mixing a high-dose probiotic with the inulin will give you
> the edge you need. VSL#3 for example uses 450 billion organisms per
> dose.
>
> Duncan
>
> — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “deltabeats_71″
> <deltabeats_71  …> wrote:
> >
> > I have been trying (mostly unsuccessfully) for years to
> incorporate inulin into my regime. For the most part it has blown my
> stomach out to the point where I feel like a hot air balloon and
> even a sip of water would tear me apart. Finally I got a sample of
> some Orafti inulin without any sugar at all. This also blew me up a
> little and caused excessive gas but I stuck with it and after some
> time was able to tolerate it. When it run out I heard about
> Fiberrific which seemed like the next best thing. Was a ble to
> tolerate that too and with that thought maybe this was the beginning
> of the end of this monster that has been controlling me (knowingly)
> for close to 10 years.
> >
> > After a couple of weeks of using Fiberiffic the gas was down to
> almost nothing and my bloating had relatively subsided (though my
> stomach/intestinal area was far from normal). Soon after though the
> gas started to return and although I’m still able to tolerate
> Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once again causing massive gas
> problems. It has been several months of religiously taking 3 heaped
> teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a problem. Though
> I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is d oing still causing
> so much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read
> that after a couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys
> should be winning the intestinal battle. With the gas I still
> produce, it’s obvious the favorable bacteria is still a long way
> off…
> >
> > Any suggestions, ideas, thoughts?
> >
> > Paul in Japan
> >
>
>
>
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2a. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:55 am ((PDT))
>In addition, the liver is the organ that “stores” anger and resentment.
I want to know which organ stores the happiness and joy; maybe we can get the two to communicate ;)
Duncan
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, carmensa <can2cis-y  …> wrote:
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> To my understanding, coconut oil metabolizes very quick. Somewhere in the process -for some people, not for everybody- the enzymes to not break the coco oil in time, the liver gets overloaded, the liver makes more cholesterol for the adrenals which make more cortisol which puts the body in fight or flight response.
>
> In addition, the liver is the organ that “stores” anger and resentment.  Depression is merely anger turned inward.
>
> The Yeats Buster Kit is made purposely for  slowing this metabolism down.  When the caproil (caprylic acid is antifungal agent of coco oil) is mixed together with physillium powder and bentonite it makes the oil go to the intestine without overloading the liver.
> When I took the caproil (the kit) I did not have anger and rage.
>
> I believed in coco oil so much, I even “preached” it to people. More so, I gave it to my cats even tough I had research articles saying otherwise. One cat got worse with her allergies and I increased the coco oil figuring it was just a healing reaction. Until it got to bad and I decided to stop for few days. She cleared in 48 hours.  Their stool was lighter in color (fat) and smelled acidic (ketoacidosis?)  Few weeks later their appetite went down, took them to the vet and got diagnosed with Fatty Liver. Ouch!  Older cats actually die from these disease.  My kitties are a little over 1 yr old and I am hoping they will reverse this.
>
> Myself, I am still dealing with fat malabsorption after stopping coco oil for over 1 month now.
> But no more anger and rage and killing others …
> I like it this way much better.. :~)
>
> all we need is love,
> carmen
>
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> From: “can2cis-y  …” <can2cis-y  …>
> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 9:38:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: Cocunut oil
>
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> I do not believe this king of anger and rage is die-off.
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Roger and Lisa Royal <rerlsr1  bellsouth. net>
> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 5:25:04 PM
> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Cocunut oil
>
> OMG!  When I first starting taking coconut oil I felt like I was on steroids!  Felt anger almost out of control.  It was awful.  Had to cut way back and work up. A friend had the same exp.  I guess it is die off.
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2b. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
Posted by: “can2cis-y  yahoo.com” can2cis-y  yahoo.com can_cis
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:05 am ((PDT))
The hearth, dear Duncan.
hopefully you’re not poking fun, right ?
enjoy the ride,
carmen
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From: DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca>
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 10:51:51 AM
Subject: [candidiasis] Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
>In addition, the liver is the organ that “stores” anger and resentment.
I want to know which organ stores the happiness and joy; maybe we can get the two to communicate ;)
Duncan
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2c. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:12 am ((PDT))
Actually, I was ;)
Duncan
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, can2cis-y  … wrote:
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> The hearth, dear Duncan.
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> hopefully you’re not poking fun, right ?
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> enjoy the ride,
> carmen
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> From: DuncanC <duncancrow  …>
> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 10:51:51 AM
> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
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> >In addition, the liver is the organ that “stores” anger and resentment.
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> I want to know which organ stores the happiness and joy; maybe we can get the two to communicate ;)
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> Duncan
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2d. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
Posted by: “can2cis-y  yahoo.com” can2cis-y  yahoo.com can_cis
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:17 am ((PDT))
well, it was not funny
but I’m happy for you’re being in a good mood !
enjoy the ride,
carmen
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From: DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca>
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 11:11:32 AM
Subject: [candidiasis] Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
Actually, I was ;)
Duncan
— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, can2cis-y  .. . wrote:
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> The hearth, dear Duncan.
>
> hopefully you’re not poking fun, right ?
>
> enjoy the ride,
> carmen
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> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: DuncanC <duncancrow   …>
> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 10:51:51 AM
> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: liver stores anger and resentment?
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> >In addition, the liver is the organ that “stores” anger and resentment.
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> I want to know which organ stores the happiness and joy; maybe we can get the two to communicate ;)
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> Duncan
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3a. Coconut oil
Posted by: “Sharon” hotmocha  telus.net energy_now
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:04 am ((PDT))
Don’t forget that a person could also have an allergy and it may not be die-off at all.  When I was at my worst I was allergic to coconut.  It’s not something that’s part of the natural diet in our climate.  Perhaps that’s why.  Many years later after being healed of allergies and candida I can eat anything including coconut.
Sharon Hoehner
www.detoxqueen.com
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3b. Re: Coconut oil
Posted by: “sol” solbun  sweetwaterhsa.com cat_thump
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:20 pm ((PDT))
carmensa wrote:
> To my understanding, coconut oil metabolizes very quick. Somewhere in
> the process -for some people, not for everybody- the enzymes to not
> break the coco oil in time, the liver gets overloaded, the liver
> makes more cholesterol for the adrenals which make more cortisol
> which puts the body in fight or flight response.
Except it is adrenaline, not cortisol, which is the “fight or flight”
hormone.
sol
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3c. Re: Coconut oil
Posted by: “douglas richey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:34 pm ((PDT))
Sol, I think I have absorbed any issues. It may have some effect on me but this evening when I took it I did not notice any “upcharge”. It sounds so healthy I need all that sort of thing I can get. Doug
— On Thu, 10/29/09, sol <solbun  sweetwaterhsa.com> wrote:
From: sol <solbun  sweetwaterhsa.com>
Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: Coconut oil
To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 9:20 PM
carmensa wrote:
> To my understanding, coconut oil metabolizes very quick. Somewhere in
> the process -for some people, not for everybody- the enzymes to not
> break the coco oil in time, the liver gets overloaded, the liver
> makes more cholesterol for the adrenals which make more cortisol
> which puts the body in fight or flight response.
Except it is adrenaline, not cortisol, which is the “fight or flight”
hormone.
sol
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4a. Re: Cocunut oil
Posted by: “dreaminginnoother” dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com dreaminginnoother
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:27 am ((PDT))
I haven’t taken it in almost 2 years.  I still don’t get “acceptance”.  The whole thing still sounds like another way to tell others their plights are their own faults in thinking.  Makes the inconvenience of empathy avoidable.
greg
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, can2cis-y  … wrote:
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> A-huh!  No let’s see you get of the coco oil for a few days and then talk about acceptance again… :~)
> Deal? :~)
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> enjoy the ride,
> carmen
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> From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother  …>
> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 1:47:03 PM
> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Cocunut oil
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> This is all extremely interesting to me.  After years of asking whether others experienced rage from whey, or sometimes asking about rage with threelac, no one ever responded.  But I almost always took my whey with coconut oil and almost never took coconut oil alone.  In fact, I can remember one time when I went on a camping trip and I brought some coconut oil as a low carb snack and I ate some by the spoonful.  I felt like I could kill someone.  I guess since that feeling had become so common as I had it almost every day in my shakes, I did not make the connection to the oil.
>
> Maybe I should give whey ANOTHER try.  I really want that stuff to work out for me.  Who would have guessed coconut oil would cause rage?  in ’28 days later’, they were all really just eating coconut oil.
>
> greg
>
> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “Roger and Lisa Royal” <rerlsr1   > wrote:
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> > OMG!  When I first starting taking coconut oil I felt like I was on steroids!  Felt anger almost out of control.  It was awful.  Had to cut way back and work up. A friend had the same exp.  I guess it is die off.
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5a. Re: Does Greg have SIBO?
Posted by: “dreaminginnoother” dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com dreaminginnoother
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:28 am ((PDT))
there’s no amount of lemon in the world that could cover the smell of mms.
greg
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, can2cis-y  … wrote:
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> I mix my mms with the Lemon Slush.
> to bad you did not know about Lemon Slush back then..
>
> I only take MMS at night, no need to push my body to hard anymore …
> I’m slower in eliminating, so once a day is good for me.
>
> carmen
>
>
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> From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother  …>
> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 1:49:27 PM
> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Does Greg have SIBO?
>
>
> I don’t remember, I want to say like 4 or 5 twice a day, but I could be way off.  Either way, the smell of chlorine makes me nauseous and gives me a headache now.  I would have to have a real good reason to try that stuff again.
>
> greg
>
> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, can2cis-y   . wrote:
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> > Greg,
> > they do say to decrease the mms dosage if diarrhea is getting to bad.
> > did you decrease your dosage?
> > how many drops did you get to in 2 months?
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> > carmen
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> >
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> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother   …>
> > To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 2:17:16 AM
> > Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Does Greg have SIBO?
> >
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> > did the mms thing for like 2 months a few years back.  Pushed myself so hard on it I was having a lot of diarrhea.  Feel like it left me drained and deficient.  In fact, it was after that that I feel like I haven’t gone a day without dark circles under my eyes.  Or I dunno, my experience with it just was not good, anything that smells the least bit chloriney anymore makes me gag.
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> > greg
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6a. Re: GREG
Posted by: “dreaminginnoother” dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com dreaminginnoother
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:36 am ((PDT))
I have heard it is very good at killing stuff off, but I took it everyday for years and whatever was there is still there.  Candex seems to kill more without the anger issues and as I said, I always thought it was the whey till people started talking about their problems with the oil a couple days ago.  I would have to test it again to see.
The SIBO one is the one I had, which came up negative.  The other 3 don’t seem to really be the issue as I pretty much completely avoid them anyway.
greg

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. my experience with inulin

From: deltabeats_71

1b. Re: my experience with inulin

From: DuncanC

1c. Re: my experience with inulin

From: Paul Thompson

1d. Re: my experience with inulin

From: Patterson, Jennifer

2a. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

From: DuncanC

2b. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

From: can2cis-y  yahoo.com

2c. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

From: DuncanC

2d. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

From: can2cis-y  yahoo.com

3a. Coconut oil

From: Sharon

3b. Re: Coconut oil

From: sol

3c. Re: Coconut oil

From: douglas richey

4a. Re: Cocunut oil

From: dreaminginnoother

5a. Re: Does Greg have SIBO?

From: dreaminginnoother

6a. Re: GREG

From: dreaminginnoother

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1a. my experience with inulin

Posted by: “deltabeats_71″ deltabeats_71  yahoo.com deltabeats_71

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:34 am ((PDT))

I have been trying (mostly unsuccessfully) for years to incorporate inulin into my regime. For the most part it has blown my stomach out to the point where I feel like a hot air balloon and even a sip of water would tear me apart. Finally I got a sample of some Orafti inulin without any sugar at all. This also blew me up a little and caused excessive gas but I stuck with it and after some time was able to tolerate it. When it run out I heard about Fiberrific which seemed like the next best thing. Was able to tolerate that too and with that thought maybe this was the beginning of the end of this monster that has been controlling me (knowingly) for close to 10 years.

After a couple of weeks of using Fiberiffic the gas was down to almost nothing and my bloating had relatively subsided (though my stomach/intestinal area was far from normal). Soon after though the gas started to return and although I’m still able to tolerate Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once again causing massive gas problems. It has been several months of religiously taking 3 heaped teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a problem. Though I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is doing still causing so much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read that after a couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys should be winning the intestinal battle. With the gas I still produce, it’s obvious the favorable bacteria is still a long way off…

Any suggestions, ideas, thoughts?

Paul in Japan

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1b. Re: my experience with inulin

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:48 am ((PDT))

Perhaps mixing a high-dose probiotic with the inulin will give you the edge you need. VSL#3 for example uses 450 billion organisms per dose.

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “deltabeats_71″ <deltabeats_71  …> wrote:

>

> I have been trying (mostly unsuccessfully) for years to incorporate inulin into my regime. For the most part it has blown my stomach out to the point where I feel like a hot air balloon and even a sip of water would tear me apart. Finally I got a sample of some Orafti inulin without any sugar at all. This also blew me up a little and caused excessive gas but I stuck with it and after some time was able to tolerate it. When it run out I heard about Fiberrific which seemed like the next best thing. Was able to tolerate that too and with that thought maybe this was the beginning of the end of this monster that has been controlling me (knowingly) for close to 10 years.

>

> After a couple of weeks of using Fiberiffic the gas was down to almost nothing and my bloating had relatively subsided (though my stomach/intestinal area was far from normal). Soon after though the gas started to return and although I’m still able to tolerate Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once again causing massive gas problems. It has been several months of religiously taking 3 heaped teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a problem. Though I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is doing still causing so much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read that after a couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys should be winning the intestinal battle. With the gas I still produce, it’s obvious the favorable bacteria is still a long way off…

>

> Any suggestions, ideas, thoughts?

>

> Paul in Japan

>

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1c. Re: my experience with inulin

Posted by: “Paul Thompson” deltabeats_71  yahoo.com deltabeats_71

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:37 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for your reply Duncan,

I have tried high dosing VSL#3 in the past with no marked improvement. I’ll give it another go. What I don’t understand is that I get to a place which I call improvement and then slowly slide back down despite no changes to my diet, supplementation etc…

Paul

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From: DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 12:46:15 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: my experience with inulin

Perhaps mixing a high-dose probiotic with the inulin will give you the edge you need. VSL#3 for example uses 450 billion organisms per dose.

Duncan

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, “deltabeats_ 71″ <deltabeats_ 71  …> wrote:

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> I have been trying (mostly unsuccessfully) for years to incorporate inulin into my regime. For the most part it has blown my stomach out to the point where I feel like a hot air balloon and even a sip of water would tear me apart. Finally I got a sample of some Orafti inulin without any sugar at all. This also blew me up a little and caused excessive gas but I stuck with it and after some time was able to tolerate it. When it run out I heard about Fiberrific which seemed like the next best thing. Was able to tolerate that too and with that thought maybe this was the beginning of the end of this monster that has been controlling me (knowingly) for close to 10 years.

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> After a couple of weeks of using Fiberiffic the gas was down to almost nothing and my bloating had relatively subsided (though my stomach/intestinal area was far from normal). Soon after though the gas started to return and although I’m still able to tolerate Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once again causing massive gas problems. It has been several months of religiously taking 3 heaped teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a problem. Though I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is doing still causing so much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read that after a couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys should be winning the intestinal battle. With the gas I still produce, it’s obvious the favorable bacteria is still a long way off…

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> Any suggestions, ideas, thoughts?

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> Paul in Japan

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1d. Re: my experience with inulin

Posted by: “Patterson, Jennifer” kenstar  cogeco.ca jpatterson113

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:19 pm ((PDT))

I talked to the people at Ferring today.  They sell VSL #3.  They say

that these organisms are specifically for colitis and ileac pouch.

Does this mean that it is no good for Candida?

Jennifer

On 29-Oct-09, at 11:46 AM, DuncanC wrote:

> Perhaps mixing a high-dose probiotic with the inulin will give you

> the edge you need. VSL#3 for example uses 450 billion organisms per

> dose.

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> Duncan

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> — In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, “deltabeats_71″

> <deltabeats_71  …> wrote:

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> > I have been trying (mostly unsuccessfully) for years to

> incorporate inulin into my regime. For the most part it has blown my

> stomach out to the point where I feel like a hot air balloon and

> even a sip of water would tear me apart. Finally I got a sample of

> some Orafti inulin without any sugar at all. This also blew me up a

> little and caused excessive gas but I stuck with it and after some

> time was able to tolerate it. When it run out I heard about

> Fiberrific which seemed like the next best thing. Was a ble to

> tolerate that too and with that thought maybe this was the beginning

> of the end of this monster that has been controlling me (knowingly)

> for close to 10 years.

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> > After a couple of weeks of using Fiberiffic the gas was down to

> almost nothing and my bloating had relatively subsided (though my

> stomach/intestinal area was far from normal). Soon after though the

> gas started to return and although I’m still able to tolerate

> Fiberrific brand inulin, it is once again causing massive gas

> problems. It has been several months of religiously taking 3 heaped

> teaspoons a day since I started and this is still a problem. Though

> I can tolerate it, I cannot see what good it is d oing still causing

> so much gas after such a long time. In previous posts I have read

> that after a couple of weeks of inulin supplementation the good guys

> should be winning the intestinal battle. With the gas I still

> produce, it’s obvious the favorable bacteria is still a long way

> off…

> >

> > Any suggestions, ideas, thoughts?

> >

> > Paul in Japan

> >

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2a. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:55 am ((PDT))

>In addition, the liver is the organ that “stores” anger and resentment.

I want to know which organ stores the happiness and joy; maybe we can get the two to communicate ;)

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, carmensa <can2cis-y  …> wrote:

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> To my understanding, coconut oil metabolizes very quick. Somewhere in the process -for some people, not for everybody- the enzymes to not break the coco oil in time, the liver gets overloaded, the liver makes more cholesterol for the adrenals which make more cortisol which puts the body in fight or flight response.

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> In addition, the liver is the organ that “stores” anger and resentment.  Depression is merely anger turned inward.

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> The Yeats Buster Kit is made purposely for  slowing this metabolism down.  When the caproil (caprylic acid is antifungal agent of coco oil) is mixed together with physillium powder and bentonite it makes the oil go to the intestine without overloading the liver.

> When I took the caproil (the kit) I did not have anger and rage.

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> I believed in coco oil so much, I even “preached” it to people. More so, I gave it to my cats even tough I had research articles saying otherwise. One cat got worse with her allergies and I increased the coco oil figuring it was just a healing reaction. Until it got to bad and I decided to stop for few days. She cleared in 48 hours.  Their stool was lighter in color (fat) and smelled acidic (ketoacidosis?)  Few weeks later their appetite went down, took them to the vet and got diagnosed with Fatty Liver. Ouch!  Older cats actually die from these disease.  My kitties are a little over 1 yr old and I am hoping they will reverse this.

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> Myself, I am still dealing with fat malabsorption after stopping coco oil for over 1 month now.

> But no more anger and rage and killing others …

> I like it this way much better.. :~)

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> all we need is love,

> carmen

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> From: “can2cis-y  …” <can2cis-y  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 9:38:55 AM

> Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: Cocunut oil

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> I do not believe this king of anger and rage is die-off.

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> From: Roger and Lisa Royal <rerlsr1  bellsouth. net>

> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 5:25:04 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Cocunut oil

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> OMG!  When I first starting taking coconut oil I felt like I was on steroids!  Felt anger almost out of control.  It was awful.  Had to cut way back and work up. A friend had the same exp.  I guess it is die off.

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2b. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

Posted by: “can2cis-y  yahoo.com” can2cis-y  yahoo.com can_cis

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:05 am ((PDT))

The hearth, dear Duncan.

hopefully you’re not poking fun, right ?

enjoy the ride,

carmen

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From: DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 10:51:51 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

>In addition, the liver is the organ that “stores” anger and resentment.

I want to know which organ stores the happiness and joy; maybe we can get the two to communicate ;)

Duncan

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2c. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow  shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:12 am ((PDT))

Actually, I was ;)

Duncan

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, can2cis-y  … wrote:

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> The hearth, dear Duncan.

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> hopefully you’re not poking fun, right ?

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> enjoy the ride,

> carmen

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> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

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> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

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> >In addition, the liver is the organ that “stores” anger and resentment.

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2d. Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

Posted by: “can2cis-y  yahoo.com” can2cis-y  yahoo.com can_cis

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:17 am ((PDT))

well, it was not funny

but I’m happy for you’re being in a good mood !

enjoy the ride,

carmen

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From: DuncanC <duncancrow  shaw.ca>

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 11:11:32 AM

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

Actually, I was ;)

Duncan

— In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, can2cis-y  .. . wrote:

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> The hearth, dear Duncan.

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> hopefully you’re not poking fun, right ?

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> enjoy the ride,

> carmen

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> From: DuncanC <duncancrow   …>

> To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

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> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: liver stores anger and resentment?

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3a. Coconut oil

Posted by: “Sharon” hotmocha  telus.net energy_now

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:04 am ((PDT))

Don’t forget that a person could also have an allergy and it may not be die-off at all.  When I was at my worst I was allergic to coconut.  It’s not something that’s part of the natural diet in our climate.  Perhaps that’s why.  Many years later after being healed of allergies and candida I can eat anything including coconut.

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3b. Re: Coconut oil

Posted by: “sol” solbun  sweetwaterhsa.com cat_thump

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:20 pm ((PDT))

carmensa wrote:

> To my understanding, coconut oil metabolizes very quick. Somewhere in

> the process -for some people, not for everybody- the enzymes to not

> break the coco oil in time, the liver gets overloaded, the liver

> makes more cholesterol for the adrenals which make more cortisol

> which puts the body in fight or flight response.

Except it is adrenaline, not cortisol, which is the “fight or flight”

hormone.

sol

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3c. Re: Coconut oil

Posted by: “douglas richey” dglsrichey  yahoo.com dglsrichey

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:34 pm ((PDT))

Sol, I think I have absorbed any issues. It may have some effect on me but this evening when I took it I did not notice any “upcharge”. It sounds so healthy I need all that sort of thing I can get. Doug

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From: sol <solbun  sweetwaterhsa.com>

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: Coconut oil

To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 9:20 PM

carmensa wrote:

> To my understanding, coconut oil metabolizes very quick. Somewhere in

> the process -for some people, not for everybody- the enzymes to not

> break the coco oil in time, the liver gets overloaded, the liver

> makes more cholesterol for the adrenals which make more cortisol

> which puts the body in fight or flight response.

Except it is adrenaline, not cortisol, which is the “fight or flight”

hormone.

sol

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4a. Re: Cocunut oil

Posted by: “dreaminginnoother” dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com dreaminginnoother

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:27 am ((PDT))

I haven’t taken it in almost 2 years.  I still don’t get “acceptance”.  The whole thing still sounds like another way to tell others their plights are their own faults in thinking.  Makes the inconvenience of empathy avoidable.

greg

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, can2cis-y  … wrote:

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> A-huh!  No let’s see you get of the coco oil for a few days and then talk about acceptance again… :~)

> Deal? :~)

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> enjoy the ride,

> carmen

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> From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 1:47:03 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Cocunut oil

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> This is all extremely interesting to me.  After years of asking whether others experienced rage from whey, or sometimes asking about rage with threelac, no one ever responded.  But I almost always took my whey with coconut oil and almost never took coconut oil alone.  In fact, I can remember one time when I went on a camping trip and I brought some coconut oil as a low carb snack and I ate some by the spoonful.  I felt like I could kill someone.  I guess since that feeling had become so common as I had it almost every day in my shakes, I did not make the connection to the oil.

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> Maybe I should give whey ANOTHER try.  I really want that stuff to work out for me.  Who would have guessed coconut oil would cause rage?  in ’28 days later’, they were all really just eating coconut oil.

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> greg

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5a. Re: Does Greg have SIBO?

Posted by: “dreaminginnoother” dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com dreaminginnoother

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:28 am ((PDT))

there’s no amount of lemon in the world that could cover the smell of mms.

greg

— In candidiasis  yahoogroups.com, can2cis-y  … wrote:

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> I mix my mms with the Lemon Slush.

> to bad you did not know about Lemon Slush back then..

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> I only take MMS at night, no need to push my body to hard anymore …

> I’m slower in eliminating, so once a day is good for me.

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> carmen

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> From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother  …>

> To: candidiasis  yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 1:49:27 PM

> Subject: [candidiasis] Re: Does Greg have SIBO?

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> I don’t remember, I want to say like 4 or 5 twice a day, but I could be way off.  Either way, the smell of chlorine makes me nauseous and gives me a headache now.  I would have to have a real good reason to try that stuff again.

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> greg

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> — In candidiasis   yahoogroups. com, can2cis-y   . wrote:

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> > Greg,

> > they do say to decrease the mms dosage if diarrhea is getting to bad.

> > did you decrease your dosage?

> > how many drops did you get to in 2 months?

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> > carmen

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> > From: dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother   …>

> > To: candidiasis   yahoogroups. com

> > Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 2:17:16 AM

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> > did the mms thing for like 2 months a few years back.  Pushed myself so hard on it I was having a lot of diarrhea.  Feel like it left me drained and deficient.  In fact, it was after that that I feel like I haven’t gone a day without dark circles under my eyes.  Or I dunno, my experience with it just was not good, anything that smells the least bit chloriney anymore makes me gag.

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6a. Re: GREG

Posted by: “dreaminginnoother” dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com dreaminginnoother

Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:36 am ((PDT))

I have heard it is very good at killing stuff off, but I took it everyday for years and whatever was there is still there.  Candex seems to kill more without the anger issues and as I said, I always thought it was the whey till people started talking about their problems with the oil a couple days ago.  I would have to test it again to see.

The SIBO one is the one I had, which came up negative.  The other 3 don’t seem to really be the issue as I pretty much completely avoid them anyway.

greg

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