How To Get Rid Of A Yeast Infection 1

Topics in this digest:
1.1. Re: ThreeLac experience
From: DuncanC
1.2. Re: ThreeLac experience
From: dreaminginnoother
1.3. Re: ThreeLac experience
From: margretdzn aol.com
1.4. Re: ThreeLac experience
From: tink121054
1.5. Re: ThreeLac experience
From: Joan Dwyer
1.6. Re: ThreeLac experience
From: toddroberts2001 aol.com
1.7. Re: ThreeLac experience
From: MM
2a. Re: IF you have to be on an antibiotic
From: DuncanC
3.1. Re: dysbiosis and bowel cancer
From: DuncanC
4a. Candida allergy
From: IMS
4b. Re: Candida allergy
From: tink121054
4c. Re: Candida allergy
From: MM
5a. Biotin-Vitamin-H
From: mike
5b. Re: Biotin-Vitamin-H
From: Joan Dwyer
6. Does alcohol feed candida
From: guitarnola
7. New to this group with very healthful info regarding Candida
From: wilspencer rocketmail.com
8a. Re: I need help with fat metabolism
From: carmensa
9a. Re: Gr8-dophilus
From: lyle shippy
9b. Re: Gr8-dophilus
From: margretdzn aol.com
10. Saw a doctor
From: nosdollgic
11. Gentle Liver FLush
From: Jane
12. PROBIOTIC ADVANTAGE
From: Ryszard Pilch
13a. Re: I’m new here…
From: healthyhopeful
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1.1. Re: ThreeLac experience
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:22 am ((PDT))
Doug, many of the high-inulin foods and their inulin content appear in the table near the bottom of my inulin references:
http://tinyurl.com/inulins#references
Thanks for the kudo; you should follow the links more though Bro’ ;)
Duncan
— In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, douglas richey <dglsrichey …> wrote:
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1.2. Re: ThreeLac experience
Posted by: “dreaminginnoother” dreaminginnoother yahoo.com dreaminginnoother
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:08 pm ((PDT))
I agree with Duncan on pretty much everything he says here.  There is science behind it and some people get great results with his method.  As far as the whey is concerned, it seems to be a minority that has problems with it and I just happen to be in that minotiry.  Otherwise, I would definitely make it a key part of my regimen for the health benefits.
The thing that is a little tricky is the inulin.  There are many people on this list that have tried it and swear that it makes they problems worse.  I am one of those people.  Duncan says it is because we are not getting good long chain inulin, and he is likely right, but until we find a source for that long chain inulin, I would recommend treading lightly and seeing how your body reacts before you start taking spoonfuls of the stuff.
I also would like to point out, that even in some of the studies that Duncan likes to cite the most for inulin, caution against using it in cases of severe candida overgrowth.
greg
— In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, “DuncanC” <duncancrow …> wrote:
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1.3. Re: ThreeLac experience
Posted by: “margretdzn aol.com” margretdzn aol.com margretdzn
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))
I have tried many things on my own, but have settled on the Candex  and
Ness…..Again, I have no personal interest in these companies or  products,
other than I think they work……..
Look at the labels on these 2 products and you will find that they  have
MORE of the ingredients/organisms than other brands…….I have been  looking
for another product to use only for the reason that I am not so  locked
into having to have this ONE product, so I went on vitacost and  compared—-I
found 1 product that is close to each of them—in all the  listings, only 1
product for each of them—so I ordered and am going to  try them–will let
you know………but the reason I ordered these two new  ones are because
by the labels, they are the only ones to have this much  ”stuff” in
them…….Like the Ness—it has over 25 billion  organisms……….
Candex, couldn’t find anything to compare with amt. in that either,  plus I
like the fact that “natural enzymes in candex dissolve these cell  walls
(yeast & fungi can flourish only as long as their cell walls  remain intact),
it works gently, causing no “die off” reaction and no  adverse effect on
healthy probiotics—so you can take probiotics while  you are taking Candex….
My downfall is SUGAR/CARBS….!!!  I struggle everyday with the
habit……….There are some days when I don’t have cravings, and it’s  because I
have eaten clean previously—but then I go out and have some  wine—next
day—boom..!! cravings….!!!  I just did that other  day, but I prepared day
before having Ness 3x that wine day, and then Ness  2x day after, and I’ve
had no cravings…………
At my worst, I had to get presecription from my holistic MD for  Nystatin,
took that and that cleaned me up—but I reverted again as soon  as I had
sugar again……..for about 9 mos. after that, I would go in and  out with
candida symptoms, so I would reach for Nystatin, but then I  decided that
wasn’t the best way, so my nutritionist and I worked out a  plan to combat it
with supplements—thus the Candex and Ness (and I.P.S.  for leaky
gut)………it worked………
It didn’t happen overnight—everyone looks for the quick fix—it  was a
process and I stuck to it and kept fine tuning—-fine tuning, like  when I
“indulge” and feel symptoms, I take extra Ness or Candex and  usually it goes
away…….but couple of months ago, I had wine 2 days in  a row, then some
cake, sugar, carbs over a long w/e, and was suffering—I  took the
shortcut route of taking nystatin for 3 days then went back on my  usual
Ness/Candex regime…….
I’ve been REALLY working at my diet, constantly challenged to keep
cleaning it up……..for instance, I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE fruit/bananas,  summer
fruits—-every morning for breakfast ALL SUMMER I had honeydew  melon—my
nutritionist told me it feeds the yeast, but I couldn’t help  it–well, summers
over and I cut it out, and my stomach is sooooo much  better……..I’ve been
eating really clean now, with an occassional  indulgence in wine or carbs,
but good for a month or so………
I am as addicted to carbs/sugar as a heroin addict is to  heroin…….
My desire is not to totally give up ANYTHING, as I really believe
moderation is the key, and my nutritionist works with me on  this………To spend a
life not having another glass of wine, or luscious  dessert, or plate of
pasta would be a life not enjoyed (especially since I  grew up in, around and
owning a restaurant)…….
My intention is to practice MODERATION—a glass of wine once in a  while,
carbs, once in a while—and for the most part that works for me  (if I can
keep my big mouth shut rest of time–smile)…….
I do eat a LOT of eggs, which fills my desire for fat, and they’re
healthy, and I take coconut oil—I’ve noticed I feel better with the coco  oil
than without…………..
Blessings, Margaret
“We are not held back by the love we didn’t  receive in the past but by the
love we’re not extending in the  present.”
Marianne Williamson
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1.4. Re: ThreeLac experience
Posted by: “tink121054″ tink121054 yahoo.com tink121054
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))
In my personal experience and research the information and promotion of
whey and whey protein is just like the soy misconception.  Here is an
article I found and I have found other articles just like this one,
www.vibrationalwellness.com/vibration/images/Whey_Report.pdf
I have found with working for a Naturopath that he is saying that whey
and whey protein causes severe electrical trauma to the lining of the
intestinal tract leading to a slow decline in the vitality of the villi
and the long term effects of whey use actually leads to the entrenched
foot hold that candida can have leading to things like leaky gut and
other digestive problems.
Tink
— In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, “dreaminginnoother”
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promoter of health with its glutathione precursors, but that doesn’t
mean it will kill candida.  And I, in fact, do not tolerate whey too
well, and I think inulin is not a good choice for most people suffering
with dysbiosis.  I do think it can feed certain strains of candida when
the ecosystem down there is too out of wack and I have argued with
Duncan many times on this.
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knowledge so we can add to the information in support of not using these
products.  So far all she does is leave troll like messages which people
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everyone all the time.  And as far as your problem is concerned, I have
not found a cure either, so I can really relate.  I’ve been on this
candida horse for over 4 years and actually been sick with it for who
knows how long.
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there seems to be a much lower than 5/5 success with whey and inulin and
I want everyone to be aware of that as well.
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Duncan, people tune out. That’s all I’m saying.
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only 1 in five benefit is not an option. I’d like to see five out of
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1.5. Re: ThreeLac experience
Posted by: “Joan Dwyer” rosegardenstudio msn.com stonebystone2
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:48 pm ((PDT))
geotrichum…used t make cheese….diflucan
To: candidiasis yahoogroups.com
From: dreaminginnoother yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:46:08 +0000
Subject: [candidiasis] Re: ThreeLac experience
what was your rare yeast?  What therapy did you use for it?
greg
— In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, Joan Dwyer <rosegardenstudio …> wrote:
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1.6. Re: ThreeLac experience
Posted by: “toddroberts2001 aol.com” toddroberts2001 aol.com roberts50000
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:48 pm ((PDT))
In a message dated 9/28/2009 2:46:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dreaminginnoother yahoo.com writes:
Whey/selenium/inulin can definitely be beneficial, but not for everyone all
the time. And as far as your problem is concerned, I have not found a cure
either, so I can really relate. I’ve been on this candida horse for over 4
years  and actually been sick with it for who knows how long.
greg
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Maybe we can all agree that a good starting point for a Candida ‘cure’  or
at least a way to help keep it under control is to avoid any and all extra
sugar
in our diet? That includes all kinds of added sugar in processed foods,
sweet fruits or fruit juices, honey , molasses and anything sweet. I  think
everyone agrees sugar feeds Candida. Remember inulin is a form of  sugar,
it tastes sweet and is sometimes used as a sugar substitute.
Refined inulin  can produce bloating, gas, diarrhea, and other  symptoms in
some people, myself included.
The Candida 1-2-3 Diet by Debby Padilla looks like the best one to  me.
Todd R
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1.7. Re: ThreeLac experience
Posted by: “MM” medmidas gmail.com gesigars
Date: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:05 am ((PDT))
Excellent report.
I can complement this with another post below (Copy & Post) :
Hi Dee,
June 16, 2004, article by Dominique Patton.
“Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP”
Article notes that whey supplement more than doubled bradykinin
level, lowers BP.
(Carol’s comment: this explains why whey supplements,
while given a lot of marketing rap in the bodybuilding mags,
actually flattens or crashes energy levels of some persons,
and these would be the TCM deficient constitution, and/or
have high bradykinin levels and lowers blood pressure abruptly.
And few even collapse)
http://nutraingredients.com/news-by-health/news.asp?id=52872
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Dee wrote:
Hi, do you have the site that has the information about whey, because I
know that whenever I have used it, it gives me terrible pain. Dee
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> In my personal experience and research the information and promotion of
> whey and whey protein is just like the soy misconception.  Here is an
> article I found and I have found other articles just like this one,
> _www.vibrationalwellness.com/vibration/images/Whey_Report.pdf_
> I have found with working for a Naturopath that he is saying that whey
> and whey protein causes severe electrical trauma to the lining of the
> intestinal tract leading to a slow decline in the vitality of the villi
> and the long term effects of whey use actually leads to the entrenched
> foot hold that candida can have leading to things like leaky gut and
> other digestive problems.
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2a. Re: IF you have to be on an antibiotic
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:32 am ((PDT))
The damage is minimized by elevating glutathione, your major damage prevention molecule. Selenium alone doesn’t do it; one needs also the rate-limiting factor cysteine, bonded to another amino acid. Two forms are selenocysteine and cystine. Both are found in undenatured whey.
Make sure you’re not using cysteine or N-acetylcysteine. These are toxic in this form with NAC being only a thinly-disguised toxin by virtue of the acetate molecule being rapidly released, leaving free cysteine, in contact with water.
The whole time one is on antibiotics or natural antimicrobials, ensure whatever organisms you want to nurture are continuously fed so they survive. Since we’re primarily interested in bifidobacteria, inulin is the choice. Without doing it there is no control at all over what bacterial flourishes you’re gonna get when the abx is withdrawn, which is the prime cause of “antibiotic-associated diarrhea” (hey, they’ve even named a “disease” after this mistake)
Have you considered a program of ozone therapy for the Lyme?
all good,
Duncan
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3.1. Re: dysbiosis and bowel cancer
Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow shaw.ca duncancrow
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:53 am ((PDT))
Greg, your comment against inulin overlooked the fact that dysbiosis is the main factor for bowel cancer risk.
This Google search highlights the problem:
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dysbiosis+cancer+or+%22aberrant+crypt+foci%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=>
Google:(dysbiosis cancer OR “aberrant crypt foci”)
Disagree with me and the science if you like buddy, but in the end it’s imperative that you get it right, however you get there.
all good,
Duncan
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4a. Candida allergy
Posted by: “IMS” imsinfo yahoo.com imsinfo
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:13 pm ((PDT))
I wonder if somebody was diagnosed officially with Candida Allergy and had treatment for that?
I have red that sublingual drops can help.If somebody tried that or other treatment to redice reaction?
I may have Esonophilic Esophagitis though tests didn`t show food allergy but probably it is reaction to candida.
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4b. Re: Candida allergy
Posted by: “tink121054″ tink121054 yahoo.com tink121054
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:45 pm ((PDT))
You can not have an actual allergy to candida!
Candida Albicans are a very important fungus which, in its natural parameters, lives in a small portion of our small intestines.
Candida Albicans are also part of our immune system and digestive system.
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4c. Re: Candida allergy
Posted by: “MM” medmidas gmail.com gesigars
Date: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:05 am ((PDT))
One can have an actual allergy to candida.
One can be allergic to even their own enzymes.
Rather impossible to believe  or understand this.
Visit www.naet.com
One can ask their doubts “Contact us”   their site.
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5a. Biotin-Vitamin-H
Posted by: “mike” ikelo yahoo.com ikelo
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:45 pm ((PDT))
Hi all.
I just started taking Biotin. Has anyone used biotin. Any advise will be greatly appreciated. I have had a key symptom to biotin deficiency. Dissplaced facial fat. I do not think this is caused by candida. I have also had loss of appetite. This could be a symptom of biotin deficiency or candida or both.
Mike
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5b. Re: Biotin-Vitamin-H
Posted by: “Joan Dwyer” rosegardenstudio msn.com stonebystone2
Date: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:05 am ((PDT))
Make sure you are taking all the B’s as well as extra biotin…they are interdependent.
Hi all.
I just started taking Biotin. Has anyone used biotin. Any advise will be greatly appreciated. I have had a key symptom to biotin deficiency. Dissplaced facial fat. I do not think this is caused by candida. I have also had loss of appetite. This could be a symptom of biotin deficiency or candida or both.
Mike
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6. Does alcohol feed candida
Posted by: “guitarnola” guitarnola yahoo.com guitarnola
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 pm ((PDT))
I have heard/read conflicting facts.  Does alcohol feed candida?
Thanks
Lauren
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7. New to this group with very healthful info regarding Candida
Posted by: “wilspencer rocketmail.com” wilspencer rocketmail.com wilspencer rocketmail.com
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 pm ((PDT))
After suffering for over 20 years with a Candida over growth I have gathered some very interesting and life changing information.  I have put my research in a down loadable PDF ebook that you can get off my web site www.mbsre-set.com.
I was born with severe and life threatening health issues which kept me very ill till into my 20′s.  You can read my whole story in the book.
I am here today to tell you that Candida DOES NOT have to be a battle of fixing one symptom after another after another………
The 2,500 different symptoms that have a potential manifestation in our bodies from a Candida over growth can be traced back to one simple root cause and that is a bacterial imbalance in the digestive tract.
Looking forward in being apart of your group,
Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath
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8a. Re: I need help with fat metabolism
Posted by: “carmensa” can2cis-y yahoo.com can_cis
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 pm ((PDT))
My diet is very clean and natural. I’ve been following the moves diet for over 1 year now. Out of all the natural fats the coconut oil is the one driving me over the edge. Every time I go back to coconut oil, it slowly *kills* me… Takes a long time to recuperate. I don’t understand. If I take caproil I do not get the same reaction.  Lard and pork are pretty bad to now; I used to handle pork and lard with no problems.  I am now cooking with butter/ghee and can only handle small bites of food before I blow up.
Interesting also is the fact that I have not lost weight in my 1 year of moves diet, no sugar no fruits, no starchy vegetable… I’ve dropped maybe 5 pounds but as soon as I get back on coconut oil I *swell* again… some of it it’s water retention I know, but the rest of it?
Duncan, how is this amino acid complex going to help with dyslipidemia?
Thanks,
Carmen
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Posted by:      ”DuncanC” duncancrow shaw.ca    duncancrow
Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:46 am        (PDT
A lot of the data you need Carmen is on my anti-aging page; note the
diabetes, aging, and dyslipidemia (fat distribution and cholesterol)
subjects:
http://members. shaw.ca/SomaLife -gHP
You can choose better dietary fats, like butter and coconut oil, which
many people lose weight on, because a lot of it doesn’t require
digestion. There’s a group for coconut oil:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/coconut_ oil_open_ forum (ask ‘em!)
all good,
Duncan
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9a. Re: Gr8-dophilus
Posted by: “lyle shippy” muslcrs yahoo.com muslcrs
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))
Well all I can tell ya is it has had NO EFFECT in helping build up MY “good bacteria” in MY intestines, to combat ALSO the Candida problem in the “fecal slurry” as some call it.
Nor does the ULTIMATE trio of whey/selenium/inulin help or solve the initial underlining problem of candida overgrowth to begin with???
I have even tried and or went through two bottles (180 caps) of PB8 and no results from that product (That supposedly has 14 BILLION GOOD BACTERIA in it!!!???) either although I have always stored it in the refrigerator until using per capsule! So is this probiotic DEAD because it sit in varying shipped hot/warm warehouses until arriving at my house and finally put in my refrigerator??? Was and is that the reason the product of NSI probiotic that I’m still taking, does not work either?
Lyle
— On Sun, 9/27/09, Blymielymie <blymielymie yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Blymielymie <blymielymie yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: Gr8-dophilus
To: “candidiasis yahoogroups.com” <candidiasis yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 4:12 PM
I too would like to know thoughts on this product. I was just looking at it myself on vitacoat.
Thanks
Jaye
On Sep 27, 2009, at 2:43 PM, “dreaminginnoother” <dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com> wrote:
Has anyone tried the NSI probiotic http://www.vitacost .com/NSI- Probiotic- 15-35? It is high potency broad spectrum for a low price and I just wanted to know if it was any good.
greg
— In candidiasis  yahoogroups. com, “jlkinkona” <josephine . ..> wrote:
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> I always refrigerate my pro biotics no matter what brand they are. Josephine
>
> — In candidiasis  yahoogroups. com, “dglsrichey” <dglsrichey  > wrote:
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> > Is Gr8-dophilus heat sensitive? Does it need refrigeration? Thanks Doug
> >
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9b. Re: Gr8-dophilus
Posted by: “margretdzn aol.com” margretdzn aol.com margretdzn
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))
these are the two products I just ordered from Vitacost, as possible
substitutes for Candex and Ness…………I like the amount of “stuff” in
them……..
NSI Candida Yeast Management — 240 VegetarianCapsules
Item No. 835003006007
Udo’s Choice Super 8 Hi-Potency Probiotic — 30 Capsules
Item No. 061998619582
Blessings, Margaret
“We are not held back by the love we didn’t  receive in the past but by the
love we’re not extending in the  present.”
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10. Saw a doctor
Posted by: “nosdollgic” nosdollgic earthlink.net nosdollgic
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))
I went to an infectious disease specialist at Cleveland Clinic. He doesn’t think I have canadida because my bloodwork is good, I’m not losing weight, and just overall not as sick as the people he’s seen with it. I told him I thought this was a progressive thing, but he still seemed to think I’d have to be a lot sicker to have it. My main complaints are nail fungus, vaginal yeast infection and teary eyes. Rarely I get flare ups of other things like arthritis. He told me to go to a dermatologist, which I told him I’ve already done, but I think all these symptoms are connected. Any feedback would be appreciated.
Many thanks,
Dana
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11. Gentle Liver FLush
Posted by: “Jane” GreenEcoBean cox.net rominick2
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))
So what are some gentle ways to do a liver flush? Currently, I do the
following a few times a month:
Blend 1 whole organic lemon with 1 1/2 cups of water and 1 Tablespoon of
olive oil and drink a few times a day before meals. You strain the blended
for 1 minute mixture and discard the pulp.
Would this be good enough or should I do more?
Thanks,
Jane
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12. PROBIOTIC ADVANTAGE
Posted by: “Ryszard Pilch” rysiek studio.clubnet.pl rysiekpilch
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:48 pm ((PDT))
What do you think about probiotic
http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/Shared/Reports/Report.aspx?ReportID=ZZ17
Rysiek
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13a. Re: I’m new here…
Posted by: “healthyhopeful” akaiyuhi2000 yahoo.com healthyhopeful
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:49 pm ((PDT))
I tried two regular doctors and they didn’t believe me about the possibility of having Candida. I’m actually impressed that your family doctor checked it out and is trying to help you with it.
I did go to an alternative medicine doc and he also gave me fluconzale and told me to stay away from sugars, breads and dairy. Of course I didn’t do it like he said and I felt only a little better after taking the fluconzole.
He also had me take VSL #3 (strong) probiotic and I did notably feel better with that.
Later I went back to him and instead of the flucozonale, he recommended a special diet (mostly because I wanted to lose weight-HCG diet) and it also incidentally eliminated sugar, bread, pastas, dairy for a period period of time. I noticed that I did feel better while off of the sugar/breads so you may want to go ahead and try what your doctor recommended if you want to feel better sooner rather than later.
I think I did read somewhere that you have to be careful with eliminating sugars and taking the diflurcan if you are prone to low blood sugar – it has precautions on the box insert.
I have a panel of doctors that I go to. Each one has different insight into my issues and treatments. It couldn’t hurt to get a second opinion. Ultimately, I take their advice with a grain of salt and experiment with their suggestions to see what works best for me.
Jenny
— In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, “Amelita” <chicachickasaw …> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I’m new here.I’m a 34 year old woman recently diagnosed with Candida.
> I saw my family dr. recently and he told me to stay away from sugar most of the time (which i’m trying to do),but said i do not need to follow the diet that is in the Yeast Connection And Women’s Health book
> Also he prescribed one tablet of fluconazole. In my opinion he wasn’t
> very helpful.What do you think? Yesterday I made an appointment (which is around the end of November with a doctor who deals with holistic
> medicine).Should I keep this appointment or try to find some “mainstream” dr. before that? Is it urgent that I get my treatment for
> Candida right away? Do you think it would be a good idea to start the diet right away or wait until i see a dr.?
>
> Thank you for listening,
>
> Amelita
>

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Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: ThreeLac experience

From: DuncanC

1.2. Re: ThreeLac experience

From: dreaminginnoother

1.3. Re: ThreeLac experience

From: margretdzn aol.com

1.4. Re: ThreeLac experience

From: tink121054

1.5. Re: ThreeLac experience

From: Joan Dwyer

1.6. Re: ThreeLac experience

From: toddroberts2001 aol.com

1.7. Re: ThreeLac experience

From: MM

2a. Re: IF you have to be on an antibiotic

From: DuncanC

3.1. Re: dysbiosis and bowel cancer

From: DuncanC

4a. Candida allergy

From: IMS

4b. Re: Candida allergy

From: tink121054

4c. Re: Candida allergy

From: MM

5a. Biotin-Vitamin-H

From: mike

5b. Re: Biotin-Vitamin-H

From: Joan Dwyer

6. Does alcohol feed candida

From: guitarnola

7. New to this group with very healthful info regarding Candida

From: wilspencer rocketmail.com

8a. Re: I need help with fat metabolism

From: carmensa

9a. Re: Gr8-dophilus

From: lyle shippy

9b. Re: Gr8-dophilus

From: margretdzn aol.com

10. Saw a doctor

From: nosdollgic

11. Gentle Liver FLush

From: Jane

12. PROBIOTIC ADVANTAGE

From: Ryszard Pilch

13a. Re: I’m new here…

From: healthyhopeful

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1.1. Re: ThreeLac experience

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:22 am ((PDT))

Doug, many of the high-inulin foods and their inulin content appear in the table near the bottom of my inulin references:

http://tinyurl.com/inulins#references

Thanks for the kudo; you should follow the links more though Bro’ ;)

Duncan

— In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, douglas richey <dglsrichey …> wrote:

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> Duncan, this is the first I have heard of  the option to find foods containing inulin. Would you please mention  them. Thanks and that was a nice summary you just wrote. Doug

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1.2. Re: ThreeLac experience

Posted by: “dreaminginnoother” dreaminginnoother yahoo.com dreaminginnoother

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:08 pm ((PDT))

I agree with Duncan on pretty much everything he says here.  There is science behind it and some people get great results with his method.  As far as the whey is concerned, it seems to be a minority that has problems with it and I just happen to be in that minotiry.  Otherwise, I would definitely make it a key part of my regimen for the health benefits.

The thing that is a little tricky is the inulin.  There are many people on this list that have tried it and swear that it makes they problems worse.  I am one of those people.  Duncan says it is because we are not getting good long chain inulin, and he is likely right, but until we find a source for that long chain inulin, I would recommend treading lightly and seeing how your body reacts before you start taking spoonfuls of the stuff.

I also would like to point out, that even in some of the studies that Duncan likes to cite the most for inulin, caution against using it in cases of severe candida overgrowth.

greg

— In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, “DuncanC” <duncancrow …> wrote:

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> Bobby, I don’t think one protocol is good for everyone. There are similarities between protocols but people don’t do exactly the same things, thus the many views you mentioned.

>

> The common thread is: ruthlessly low-carbing; avoiding processed foods; getting the inulin back into our modern diets whether by supplementing or using higher-inulin foods; using various natural or pharmaceutical antifungals and antimicrobials; supplementing to avoid malabsorption; atttending to correct digestion with betaine HCl or digestive enzymes.

>

> Except for the antifungal and antimicrobial use, this general approach, with other supplements such as the undenatured whey and selenium used by a lot of people, is actually just a basic health and anti-aging program. It brings up  the antioxidant enzyme glutathione that drops with age, the stomach acidity that drops with age, the matabolism that also drops with age, the bifidobacteria in the gut that also drops with age, etc.; see the common theme here? Just getting back to a more biologically supportive diet and lifestyle is the main thing. There’s no magic bullet and no guarantee that it won’t take a long while.

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> all good,

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> Duncan

>

>

> — In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, Bobby johnson <morrisman64 > wrote:

> >

> >

> > SO what is it that can make us all better??? Being hearing many views on this site for a few years and no one person can agree on on method? I getting very scared I’m goona be stick with this for life!!

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1.3. Re: ThreeLac experience

Posted by: “margretdzn aol.com” margretdzn aol.com margretdzn

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))

I have tried many things on my own, but have settled on the Candex  and

Ness…..Again, I have no personal interest in these companies or  products,

other than I think they work……..

Look at the labels on these 2 products and you will find that they  have

MORE of the ingredients/organisms than other brands…….I have been  looking

for another product to use only for the reason that I am not so  locked

into having to have this ONE product, so I went on vitacost and  compared—-I

found 1 product that is close to each of them—in all the  listings, only 1

product for each of them—so I ordered and am going to  try them–will let

you know………but the reason I ordered these two new  ones are because

by the labels, they are the only ones to have this much  ”stuff” in

them…….Like the Ness—it has over 25 billion  organisms……….

Candex, couldn’t find anything to compare with amt. in that either,  plus I

like the fact that “natural enzymes in candex dissolve these cell  walls

(yeast & fungi can flourish only as long as their cell walls  remain intact),

it works gently, causing no “die off” reaction and no  adverse effect on

healthy probiotics—so you can take probiotics while  you are taking Candex….

My downfall is SUGAR/CARBS….!!!  I struggle everyday with the

habit……….There are some days when I don’t have cravings, and it’s  because I

have eaten clean previously—but then I go out and have some  wine—next

day—boom..!! cravings….!!!  I just did that other  day, but I prepared day

before having Ness 3x that wine day, and then Ness  2x day after, and I’ve

had no cravings…………

At my worst, I had to get presecription from my holistic MD for  Nystatin,

took that and that cleaned me up—but I reverted again as soon  as I had

sugar again……..for about 9 mos. after that, I would go in and  out with

candida symptoms, so I would reach for Nystatin, but then I  decided that

wasn’t the best way, so my nutritionist and I worked out a  plan to combat it

with supplements—thus the Candex and Ness (and I.P.S.  for leaky

gut)………it worked………

It didn’t happen overnight—everyone looks for the quick fix—it  was a

process and I stuck to it and kept fine tuning—-fine tuning, like  when I

“indulge” and feel symptoms, I take extra Ness or Candex and  usually it goes

away…….but couple of months ago, I had wine 2 days in  a row, then some

cake, sugar, carbs over a long w/e, and was suffering—I  took the

shortcut route of taking nystatin for 3 days then went back on my  usual

Ness/Candex regime…….

I’ve been REALLY working at my diet, constantly challenged to keep

cleaning it up……..for instance, I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE fruit/bananas,  summer

fruits—-every morning for breakfast ALL SUMMER I had honeydew  melon—my

nutritionist told me it feeds the yeast, but I couldn’t help  it–well, summers

over and I cut it out, and my stomach is sooooo much  better……..I’ve been

eating really clean now, with an occassional  indulgence in wine or carbs,

but good for a month or so………

I am as addicted to carbs/sugar as a heroin addict is to  heroin…….

My desire is not to totally give up ANYTHING, as I really believe

moderation is the key, and my nutritionist works with me on  this………To spend a

life not having another glass of wine, or luscious  dessert, or plate of

pasta would be a life not enjoyed (especially since I  grew up in, around and

owning a restaurant)…….

My intention is to practice MODERATION—a glass of wine once in a  while,

carbs, once in a while—and for the most part that works for me  (if I can

keep my big mouth shut rest of time–smile)…….

I do eat a LOT of eggs, which fills my desire for fat, and they’re

healthy, and I take coconut oil—I’ve noticed I feel better with the coco  oil

than without…………..

Blessings, Margaret

“We are not held back by the love we didn’t  receive in the past but by the

love we’re not extending in the  present.”

Marianne Williamson

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1.4. Re: ThreeLac experience

Posted by: “tink121054″ tink121054 yahoo.com tink121054

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))

In my personal experience and research the information and promotion of

whey and whey protein is just like the soy misconception.  Here is an

article I found and I have found other articles just like this one,

www.vibrationalwellness.com/vibration/images/Whey_Report.pdf

I have found with working for a Naturopath that he is saying that whey

and whey protein causes severe electrical trauma to the lining of the

intestinal tract leading to a slow decline in the vitality of the villi

and the long term effects of whey use actually leads to the entrenched

foot hold that candida can have leading to things like leaky gut and

other digestive problems.

Tink

— In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, “dreaminginnoother”

<dreaminginnoother …> wrote:

>

> It won’t cure candida.  Science does show that whey is a terrific

promoter of health with its glutathione precursors, but that doesn’t

mean it will kill candida.  And I, in fact, do not tolerate whey too

well, and I think inulin is not a good choice for most people suffering

with dysbiosis.  I do think it can feed certain strains of candida when

the ecosystem down there is too out of wack and I have argued with

Duncan many times on this.

>

> My message to MM is to try to get her to maybe post her experiences or

knowledge so we can add to the information in support of not using these

products.  So far all she does is leave troll like messages which people

have come to ignore.

>

> Whey/selenium/inulin can definitely be beneficial, but not for

everyone all the time.  And as far as your problem is concerned, I have

not found a cure either, so I can really relate.  I’ve been on this

candida horse for over 4 years and actually been sick with it for who

knows how long.

>

> greg

>

>

> — In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, lyle shippy muslcrs  wrote:

> >

> > Well I can sure say I have not had a “success” with the

Whey/Selenium/Inulin trio!

> >

> > How long does it take for this miracle dramatic trio to take effect

in “healing” a victim of Candida overgrowth???

> >

> >

> > Lyle

> >

> > — On Sun, 9/27/09, dreaminginnoother dreaminginnoother  wrote:

> >

> >

> > From: dreaminginnoother dreaminginnoother

> > Subject: [candidiasis] Re: ThreeLac experience

> > To: candidiasis yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 1:40 PM

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> > This post is a bit more rational than the last few. You are right!

there seems to be a much lower than 5/5 success with whey and inulin and

I want everyone to be aware of that as well.

> > I am not against you MM, but when all you do is constantly bash

Duncan, people tune out. That’s all I’m saying.

> >

> > greg

> >

> > — In candidiasis  yahoogroups. com, MM <medmidas  .> wrote:

> > >

> > > inulin/whey etc. never gave five out of five successes.

> > > There were quite a lot of posts, against these.

> > > Still, the hype continues.

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> > > DuncanC wrote:

> > > > With respect, MM, taking the “safe route” by using a cure that

only 1 in five benefit is not an option. I’d like to see five out of

five successes because the failures can die of the infection.

> > > >

> > > > Duncan

> > > >

> > > > — In candidiasis  yahoogroups. com, MM <medmidas > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> Experience of this group with respect to

> > > >> Inulin/whey/ selenium & words used for hyping like

> > > >> glutatheon precursor, undenatured, success rate is of the same

order.

> > > >>

> > > >> Despite dozens of references and experiences, science & hyping

websites

> > > >> on these products, similar success rates apply.

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> > > >> ThreeLac is however safer than these products.

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1.5. Re: ThreeLac experience

Posted by: “Joan Dwyer” rosegardenstudio msn.com stonebystone2

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:48 pm ((PDT))

geotrichum…used t make cheese….diflucan

To: candidiasis yahoogroups.com

From: dreaminginnoother yahoo.com

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:46:08 +0000

Subject: [candidiasis] Re: ThreeLac experience

what was your rare yeast?  What therapy did you use for it?

greg

— In candidiasis yahoogroups.com, Joan Dwyer <rosegardenstudio …> wrote:

>

>

> You need bifidous (multiple strains) instead of acidopilous.  The best approach is to have stool testing to see what is actually in your intestines….I had a rare yeast that wasn’t going to respond to just diet.

>

> I hear you on the confusion of what to eat….there are so many opinions.

>

> Are you sure you don’t have leaky gut as well as candida.

>

> Joan

>

> To: candidiasis yahoogroups.com

> From: muslcrs …

> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:19:50 -0700

> Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: ThreeLac experience

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> You fail to realize that in advertising and even “testimonies” on use of threelac, “they” say you do not need to change your diet…Well nothing could be further from the truth as we all know ( or most of us anyway?) from actual experience of NOT changing our diets FIRST!

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> Once again just more confusion, much like every one seems to have an “opinion” of what actually you can eat and not eat that will help to bring Candida under control in a normal “fecal slurry” to a normal healthy person! So Debby even your list of do’s and dont’s in diet is incomplete (may not be your list?), because many foods on the list that can be bought and MAYBE feed Candida are not there in description???

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> I have been doing the Now brand Whey Protein Isolate (6 tbl spoons a day); Now Selenium (1 100mcg per three meals a day) and Now Inulin Powder with each meal for two months now and can feel NO difference! It seems lately giving up my Vegan diet (that really had me feeling better BEFORE I got this Candida thing years ago from antibiotics to treat a sinus infection) and changing my diet back to some salmon and boiled eggs may or has had some effect in reducing my continual dysbiosis (and its many daily debilitating symptoms!!!) goes on and on like a pink energizer bunny! I guess Candida hates “meat” and eggs and I can relate to that being a past Vegan now!

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> After first joining and reading on this forum, I was told upon joining that nut butters are “OK” for the supposed recommended Candida diet. But now I’m experimenting with eliminating that from my diet, BUT how long will it take until I know this is helping and I’m on the right track??? It seems like the “control” Candida diet is all about mainly eating dead animals and or creatures, to eventually “get well” and to get back as a normal healthy person???

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1.6. Re: ThreeLac experience

Posted by: “toddroberts2001 aol.com” toddroberts2001 aol.com roberts50000

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:48 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/28/2009 2:46:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

dreaminginnoother yahoo.com writes:

Whey/selenium/inulin can definitely be beneficial, but not for everyone all

the time. And as far as your problem is concerned, I have not found a cure

either, so I can really relate. I’ve been on this candida horse for over 4

years  and actually been sick with it for who knows how long.

greg

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Maybe we can all agree that a good starting point for a Candida ‘cure’  or

at least a way to help keep it under control is to avoid any and all extra

sugar

in our diet? That includes all kinds of added sugar in processed foods,

sweet fruits or fruit juices, honey , molasses and anything sweet. I  think

everyone agrees sugar feeds Candida. Remember inulin is a form of  sugar,

it tastes sweet and is sometimes used as a sugar substitute.

Refined inulin  can produce bloating, gas, diarrhea, and other  symptoms in

some people, myself included.

The Candida 1-2-3 Diet by Debby Padilla looks like the best one to  me.

Todd R

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1.7. Re: ThreeLac experience

Posted by: “MM” medmidas gmail.com gesigars

Date: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:05 am ((PDT))

Excellent report.

I can complement this with another post below (Copy & Post) :

Hi Dee,

June 16, 2004, article by Dominique Patton.

“Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP”

Article notes that whey supplement more than doubled bradykinin

level, lowers BP.

(Carol’s comment: this explains why whey supplements,

while given a lot of marketing rap in the bodybuilding mags,

actually flattens or crashes energy levels of some persons,

and these would be the TCM deficient constitution, and/or

have high bradykinin levels and lowers blood pressure abruptly.

And few even collapse)

http://nutraingredients.com/news-by-health/news.asp?id=52872

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Dee wrote:

Hi, do you have the site that has the information about whey, because I

know that whenever I have used it, it gives me terrible pain. Dee

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> In my personal experience and research the information and promotion of

> whey and whey protein is just like the soy misconception.  Here is an

> article I found and I have found other articles just like this one,

> _www.vibrationalwellness.com/vibration/images/Whey_Report.pdf_

> I have found with working for a Naturopath that he is saying that whey

> and whey protein causes severe electrical trauma to the lining of the

> intestinal tract leading to a slow decline in the vitality of the villi

> and the long term effects of whey use actually leads to the entrenched

> foot hold that candida can have leading to things like leaky gut and

> other digestive problems.

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2a. Re: IF you have to be on an antibiotic

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:32 am ((PDT))

The damage is minimized by elevating glutathione, your major damage prevention molecule. Selenium alone doesn’t do it; one needs also the rate-limiting factor cysteine, bonded to another amino acid. Two forms are selenocysteine and cystine. Both are found in undenatured whey.

Make sure you’re not using cysteine or N-acetylcysteine. These are toxic in this form with NAC being only a thinly-disguised toxin by virtue of the acetate molecule being rapidly released, leaving free cysteine, in contact with water.

The whole time one is on antibiotics or natural antimicrobials, ensure whatever organisms you want to nurture are continuously fed so they survive. Since we’re primarily interested in bifidobacteria, inulin is the choice. Without doing it there is no control at all over what bacterial flourishes you’re gonna get when the abx is withdrawn, which is the prime cause of “antibiotic-associated diarrhea” (hey, they’ve even named a “disease” after this mistake)

Have you considered a program of ozone therapy for the Lyme?

all good,

Duncan

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3.1. Re: dysbiosis and bowel cancer

Posted by: “DuncanC” duncancrow shaw.ca duncancrow

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:53 am ((PDT))

Greg, your comment against inulin overlooked the fact that dysbiosis is the main factor for bowel cancer risk.

This Google search highlights the problem:

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dysbiosis+cancer+or+%22aberrant+crypt+foci%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=>

Google:(dysbiosis cancer OR “aberrant crypt foci”)

Disagree with me and the science if you like buddy, but in the end it’s imperative that you get it right, however you get there.

all good,

Duncan

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4a. Candida allergy

Posted by: “IMS” imsinfo yahoo.com imsinfo

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:13 pm ((PDT))

I wonder if somebody was diagnosed officially with Candida Allergy and had treatment for that?

I have red that sublingual drops can help.If somebody tried that or other treatment to redice reaction?

I may have Esonophilic Esophagitis though tests didn`t show food allergy but probably it is reaction to candida.

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4b. Re: Candida allergy

Posted by: “tink121054″ tink121054 yahoo.com tink121054

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:45 pm ((PDT))

You can not have an actual allergy to candida!

Candida Albicans are a very important fungus which, in its natural parameters, lives in a small portion of our small intestines.

Candida Albicans are also part of our immune system and digestive system.

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4c. Re: Candida allergy

Posted by: “MM” medmidas gmail.com gesigars

Date: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:05 am ((PDT))

One can have an actual allergy to candida.

One can be allergic to even their own enzymes.

Rather impossible to believe  or understand this.

Visit www.naet.com

One can ask their doubts “Contact us”   their site.

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> You can not have an actual allergy to candida!

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5a. Biotin-Vitamin-H

Posted by: “mike” ikelo yahoo.com ikelo

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:45 pm ((PDT))

Hi all.

I just started taking Biotin. Has anyone used biotin. Any advise will be greatly appreciated. I have had a key symptom to biotin deficiency. Dissplaced facial fat. I do not think this is caused by candida. I have also had loss of appetite. This could be a symptom of biotin deficiency or candida or both.

Mike

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5b. Re: Biotin-Vitamin-H

Posted by: “Joan Dwyer” rosegardenstudio msn.com stonebystone2

Date: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:05 am ((PDT))

Make sure you are taking all the B’s as well as extra biotin…they are interdependent.

Hi all.

I just started taking Biotin. Has anyone used biotin. Any advise will be greatly appreciated. I have had a key symptom to biotin deficiency. Dissplaced facial fat. I do not think this is caused by candida. I have also had loss of appetite. This could be a symptom of biotin deficiency or candida or both.

Mike

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6. Does alcohol feed candida

Posted by: “guitarnola” guitarnola yahoo.com guitarnola

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 pm ((PDT))

I have heard/read conflicting facts.  Does alcohol feed candida?

Thanks

Lauren

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7. New to this group with very healthful info regarding Candida

Posted by: “wilspencer rocketmail.com” wilspencer rocketmail.com wilspencer rocketmail.com

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 pm ((PDT))

After suffering for over 20 years with a Candida over growth I have gathered some very interesting and life changing information.  I have put my research in a down loadable PDF ebook that you can get off my web site www.mbsre-set.com.

I was born with severe and life threatening health issues which kept me very ill till into my 20′s.  You can read my whole story in the book.

I am here today to tell you that Candida DOES NOT have to be a battle of fixing one symptom after another after another………

The 2,500 different symptoms that have a potential manifestation in our bodies from a Candida over growth can be traced back to one simple root cause and that is a bacterial imbalance in the digestive tract.

Looking forward in being apart of your group,

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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8a. Re: I need help with fat metabolism

Posted by: “carmensa” can2cis-y yahoo.com can_cis

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 pm ((PDT))

My diet is very clean and natural. I’ve been following the moves diet for over 1 year now. Out of all the natural fats the coconut oil is the one driving me over the edge. Every time I go back to coconut oil, it slowly *kills* me… Takes a long time to recuperate. I don’t understand. If I take caproil I do not get the same reaction.  Lard and pork are pretty bad to now; I used to handle pork and lard with no problems.  I am now cooking with butter/ghee and can only handle small bites of food before I blow up.

Interesting also is the fact that I have not lost weight in my 1 year of moves diet, no sugar no fruits, no starchy vegetable… I’ve dropped maybe 5 pounds but as soon as I get back on coconut oil I *swell* again… some of it it’s water retention I know, but the rest of it?

Duncan, how is this amino acid complex going to help with dyslipidemia?

Thanks,

Carmen

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Posted by:      ”DuncanC” duncancrow shaw.ca    duncancrow

Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:46 am        (PDT

A lot of the data you need Carmen is on my anti-aging page; note the

diabetes, aging, and dyslipidemia (fat distribution and cholesterol)

subjects:

http://members. shaw.ca/SomaLife -gHP

You can choose better dietary fats, like butter and coconut oil, which

many people lose weight on, because a lot of it doesn’t require

digestion. There’s a group for coconut oil:

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/coconut_ oil_open_ forum (ask ‘em!)

all good,

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9a. Re: Gr8-dophilus

Posted by: “lyle shippy” muslcrs yahoo.com muslcrs

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))

Well all I can tell ya is it has had NO EFFECT in helping build up MY “good bacteria” in MY intestines, to combat ALSO the Candida problem in the “fecal slurry” as some call it.

Nor does the ULTIMATE trio of whey/selenium/inulin help or solve the initial underlining problem of candida overgrowth to begin with???

I have even tried and or went through two bottles (180 caps) of PB8 and no results from that product (That supposedly has 14 BILLION GOOD BACTERIA in it!!!???) either although I have always stored it in the refrigerator until using per capsule! So is this probiotic DEAD because it sit in varying shipped hot/warm warehouses until arriving at my house and finally put in my refrigerator??? Was and is that the reason the product of NSI probiotic that I’m still taking, does not work either?

Lyle

— On Sun, 9/27/09, Blymielymie <blymielymie yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Blymielymie <blymielymie yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [candidiasis] Re: Gr8-dophilus

To: “candidiasis yahoogroups.com” <candidiasis yahoogroups.com>

Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 4:12 PM

I too would like to know thoughts on this product. I was just looking at it myself on vitacoat.

Thanks

Jaye

On Sep 27, 2009, at 2:43 PM, “dreaminginnoother” <dreaminginnoother  yahoo.com> wrote:

Has anyone tried the NSI probiotic http://www.vitacost .com/NSI- Probiotic- 15-35? It is high potency broad spectrum for a low price and I just wanted to know if it was any good.

greg

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9b. Re: Gr8-dophilus

Posted by: “margretdzn aol.com” margretdzn aol.com margretdzn

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))

these are the two products I just ordered from Vitacost, as possible

substitutes for Candex and Ness…………I like the amount of “stuff” in

them……..

NSI Candida Yeast Management — 240 VegetarianCapsules

Item No. 835003006007

Udo’s Choice Super 8 Hi-Potency Probiotic — 30 Capsules

Item No. 061998619582

Blessings, Margaret

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love we’re not extending in the  present.”

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10. Saw a doctor

Posted by: “nosdollgic” nosdollgic earthlink.net nosdollgic

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))

I went to an infectious disease specialist at Cleveland Clinic. He doesn’t think I have canadida because my bloodwork is good, I’m not losing weight, and just overall not as sick as the people he’s seen with it. I told him I thought this was a progressive thing, but he still seemed to think I’d have to be a lot sicker to have it. My main complaints are nail fungus, vaginal yeast infection and teary eyes. Rarely I get flare ups of other things like arthritis. He told me to go to a dermatologist, which I told him I’ve already done, but I think all these symptoms are connected. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Many thanks,

Dana

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11. Gentle Liver FLush

Posted by: “Jane” GreenEcoBean cox.net rominick2

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))

So what are some gentle ways to do a liver flush? Currently, I do the

following a few times a month:

Blend 1 whole organic lemon with 1 1/2 cups of water and 1 Tablespoon of

olive oil and drink a few times a day before meals. You strain the blended

for 1 minute mixture and discard the pulp.

Would this be good enough or should I do more?

Thanks,

Jane

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12. PROBIOTIC ADVANTAGE

Posted by: “Ryszard Pilch” rysiek studio.clubnet.pl rysiekpilch

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:48 pm ((PDT))

What do you think about probiotic

http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/Shared/Reports/Report.aspx?ReportID=ZZ17

Rysiek

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13a. Re: I’m new here…

Posted by: “healthyhopeful” akaiyuhi2000 yahoo.com healthyhopeful

Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:49 pm ((PDT))

I tried two regular doctors and they didn’t believe me about the possibility of having Candida. I’m actually impressed that your family doctor checked it out and is trying to help you with it.

I did go to an alternative medicine doc and he also gave me fluconzale and told me to stay away from sugars, breads and dairy. Of course I didn’t do it like he said and I felt only a little better after taking the fluconzole.

He also had me take VSL #3 (strong) probiotic and I did notably feel better with that.

Later I went back to him and instead of the flucozonale, he recommended a special diet (mostly because I wanted to lose weight-HCG diet) and it also incidentally eliminated sugar, bread, pastas, dairy for a period period of time. I noticed that I did feel better while off of the sugar/breads so you may want to go ahead and try what your doctor recommended if you want to feel better sooner rather than later.

I think I did read somewhere that you have to be careful with eliminating sugars and taking the diflurcan if you are prone to low blood sugar – it has precautions on the box insert.

I have a panel of doctors that I go to. Each one has different insight into my issues and treatments. It couldn’t hurt to get a second opinion. Ultimately, I take their advice with a grain of salt and experiment with their suggestions to see what works best for me.

Jenny

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> Hello,

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> I’m new here.I’m a 34 year old woman recently diagnosed with Candida.

> I saw my family dr. recently and he told me to stay away from sugar most of the time (which i’m trying to do),but said i do not need to follow the diet that is in the Yeast Connection And Women’s Health book

> Also he prescribed one tablet of fluconazole. In my opinion he wasn’t

> very helpful.What do you think? Yesterday I made an appointment (which is around the end of November with a doctor who deals with holistic

> medicine).Should I keep this appointment or try to find some “mainstream” dr. before that? Is it urgent that I get my treatment for

> Candida right away? Do you think it would be a good idea to start the diet right away or wait until i see a dr.?

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> Thank you for listening,

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> Amelita

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